On Fri, 4 Apr 2014 12:32:24 Tim Josling wrote:

> > Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 08:54:45 +1100

> > From: "Peter Ross"

> > Subject: [luv-talk] Same day news - make a difference

> >

> > At least I believe it is as much about as about refugees. It is about the

>

> society we want to live in.

>

> Signing a petition is the atheist equivalent of prayer: doing nothing but

> pretending you have done something - so you look good at no cost to

> yourself. Firing off moralistic emails is equally efficacious, in both

> respects.

Actually many petitions achieve a result. A petition that gets a significant number of signatures gets media coverage which may result in political action. Obviously the petition to create a Death Star was never going to get the stated result, but petitions to do things that are possible often achieve their stated result. If you use the online petition sites they usually send a mail-out for the results of the petition, do it enough and you will get regular messages about petitions succeeding.

> Alternatively, if you are serious: donate a significant percentage of your

> income to good causes,

If you have as much money as Clive Palmer then you can try to create a personal political party to achieve your goals. If not then your best option is to convince other people.

> or do the hard thinking to actually come up with a

> better immigration policy

We have discussed this with you before. It's obvious that you aren't brave enough to accept any answer other than treating refugees in an inhumane manner. Be brave, study what's been done before (in Australia and other countries), and then we can have a discussion.

The root cause of these problems is cowardice. Stop being a coward and then we can talk.

> - in detail, with analysis of the consequences

> (see below).

There was nothing below, just text quoted from another message. Did you forget to write something?

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