On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 14:33:32 Rick Moen wrote:
One doesn't need to be a psychologist or telepathic to know that people who cite a misogynistic site like returnofkings.com are misogynists.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issue s/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites [attempting to catch up on this unproductive thread]
Russell, I think you're a little quick to jump on Tim's back, and I say this as a man who's been a card-carrying feminist since the mid-Pleistocene (the 1970s, when I was a teenager).
Just have a look at the return of kings site.
There are indeed many groups of women - as described in the 'Dr_Caveman' piece Tim linked to, who make a really unbelievable fetish out of 'consensus', which term is used to mean everyone talking until there is absolute universal agreement or else participants fall over and die from excessive talking.
There are also plenty of men who have similar ideas. For example the Greens political party in Australia uses consensus for all decisions. While the Greens were formed from a number of separate organisations if anyone was to be cited as the founder of the Greens then it would be Bob Brown, so the down- sides of consensus in the Australian Greens is something we could probably blame Bob for. Christine Milne (the current Greens leader) advocates a constitutional change in the party which would almost certainly remove consensus. This is just one example of consensus being implemented by a man and opposed by a women. There are more.
I have no idea whether the author's description of events in the Dutch reality TV programm Expeditie Robinson was fair and accurate - let alone detailing a fluke outcome - but can believe that this _particular_ group of women might have happened to be the sort who insist on talking everything to death before doing anything, because I've seen that in action... er, inaction.
There are few fluke outcomes in reality TV. The "contestants" are chosen to give a desired outcome. When they recruit people for one of those island survival shows they have queues of people who want to be on TV, some of whom spend considerable amounts of effort in preparing. Do the producers choose people who prepare by practicing their camping skills or people who prepare by making themselves look good on camera? I think we know what criteria that Dutch show in question used.
The SPLC listed Roosh's site in it's list of misogyny sites. Here's what the SPLC wrote: These's something rather sad about this entire 'manosphere' with its nobody-will-date-me-so-I-need-a-submissive-female fixation and hilarious namecalling jargon, e.g.: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Manosphere_glossary
Tim's other link was to yet another sob story in the infamously downmarket and soapy London gossip rag _The Daily Mail_. Really, Tim?
But, Russell, I think you're dramatically overplaying the 'you're making women feel unwelcome' card.
I think that the "male feminist" thing is bogus. I think that only people who have experienced living as female (including transgender people) should call themselves feminists. Rick, you think you are on the size of women but there is no evidence for this. Spending so much effort criticising women collectively and defending Tim against the fairly obvious claim of misogyny is taking the wrong side on this issue. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/