On Sat, November 8, 2014 9:12 am, Michael Scott wrote:
Please show me a contextual reference to that so I can at least argue it.
What?! You don't know this famous quote? It may interest you to know that it was in Melbourne that the first ordained minister in what was then the British Empire, Rev. Martha Taylor, took the opportunity to quote it in her first sermon. It's pretty clear what she thought of it. "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says." (Cor 1 14:34)
The question asked? Where was a question ever asked? All I've had is attacks at me and whenever i provide anything I'm attacked from another angle. What question?
It follows again, for the third time.
"So why can't your church/denomination/whatever have their own marriage requirements and just leave everyone else alone? Why is that your definition of marriage has to be enshrined in law?"
"My" definition of marriage IS enshrined in law. You want to CHANGE that definition. I've said many times in this discussion alone, I Can't SUPPORT your wanting to change that definition. Why can't YOU understand MY feelings on that? You want ME to understand YOURS.
Of course you can support it. It's not very hard at all. This is what you do. a) You could realise that there should be a separation of church and state. That people are entitled to their own religious beliefs or even none at all. Civil government can, and should, be independent of such matters. b) Following this, you could realise that the introduction of marriage equality in civil law in no way changes your denomination's disapproval of such marriages and in no way forces your denomination to conduct marriages that they do not agree with. You don't have to support same-sex marriage personally; all you have to do is say that same-sex couples should be entitled to the same legal rights as others, including marriage. The expansion of rights which you claim for yourself to others in no way diminishes your existing right. It's not as if anyone is arguing that same-sex marriage should be the only type available. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GradCertTerAdEd (Murdoch), GradCertPM, MBA (Tech Mngmnt) (Chifley) mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt