Hello Russell, On Thu, 2015-11-12 at 20:56 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 08:37:40 PM Mark Trickett via luv-talk wrote:
and if yahoo cares about keeping their users, they'll change what they're doing.
Unfortunately, there are too many of the "great unwashed" who are uninformed, and just say that the others must be wrong. It is a social problem, that too much business merely want consumers, forgetting that it is their workers who are the customers, and most importantly, are citizens.
Craig talks about Yahoo wanting to gain and keep users. LUV also wants to gain and keep users and making services like Yahoo just work with out lists is a part of doing that.
I don't think that this is an ideal situation, but as Rick points out every option has downsides and this one seems to work well.
I see too much similarities to the bread and circuses of the decline of the Roman Empire. Nick Hanauer had the right of it in predicting the pitchforks if the inequalities continue to grow. And they will with a population of uninformed and ignorant consumers who expect to be entertained and somewhat greedy.
I don't think that an analogy to the deline of the Roman empire is relevant to mailing list policies. As for inequality causing the decline of empires, that's well known. Authors like William Gibson wrote about corporations with nation state powers. That makes for interesting stories but doesn't seem plausible. A key component of national armies is patriotism. Unless corporations can find people willing to die for them then they can't compete in that game.
Not comparing the mailing list to the decline of the Roman Empire, more that the problems are much wider than the list, that our current "civilisation" is disintegrating, and the behaviours we are seeing are symptoms, and that to fix matters requires the technical fixes, and significant social changes. Ignoring the bigger picture is ignoring why any technical fix will fail on its own. As to the really large multinationals, they are co-opting, and corrupting, national governments. That will be detrimental all round. Your technical fix is a kludge, any fix will be a kludge with the current proliferation of incompatible "standards", I give you kudos for your efforts, and that they will help while making things more awkward. That is an inevitability. Regards, Mark Trickett