Hi all The issue here is that for security, you want a trusted environment and for us that means knowing the trail all the way from the source. If part of the stack is closed, it this can't be trusted. You wouldn't run it on a cloud VM either, you don't know whether and how those layers can interfere or hide things. I do think Microsoft is trying to do good things, they're making good efforts. But their definition of trust is not mine. I do however respect that others also use different definitions or make different judgements on this topic, and I'd rather they use at least some decent gear and learn there's more out there. If that means using some open source stuff on Windows, fine. I see that as a positive step, without having to point it out to them explicitly. It's a process. Regards, Arjen.