Hello All, Just found, via G+, a link to an article about the finances of the climate change denial organisations. One major source is Koch Industries, who are heavily involved in the fossil fuel industry. They are funneling it through a "charitable" fund, getting tax deductability, and anonymity. The approaches are very similar to what the Tobacco industry tried, denial of real effects, and puppet "independent" voices. http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-billionair... Still seeing "quibbles" that the science is in dispute, but that is only from paid mouthpieces, and others out of their fields of expertise. I do not have the knowledge and skills to do the original work, but what I learnt from my Engineering degree does provide the necessary grounding to comprehend the reality of climate change. You can speed and if the police do not catch you, they do not charge you. The laws of physics are far more watchful, you cannot break them. The wealthy fail to realise that the human rules can be bent, at least temporarily, but that the real world of physics and the laws of thermodynamics are not to be fooled. Unfortunately, they have less wealthy supporters who are severely misled and fail to have open minds. The planet will continue to exist, and to circle the sun, but what life will continue is debatable. For those here who disbelieve, consider the example of Venus, that is the effect of an atmosphere that traps more heat. It verifies the effects of CO2. The issue on earth is the increasing concentration. Things were stable, but we have "kicked" an otherwise stable system rather hard. There is evidence of the change, if you really want even more incontrovertible, then it will be more than past time to be able to correct things. There are other gases and soot that we are pumping into the atmosphere that have even bigger effects than CO2, some that will stay there longer, some that will wash out quickly. The US Geological Service has done a valid assessment of the effect of volcanoes, and they are not small, but compared to the effects of billions of people, they are small beer. For those here who would dispute this, if you really have an open mind, then read the material that puts the case. if you will not consider, then stop claiming to have an open mind. Regards, Mark Trickett