Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 15:16:36 +1000 From: Russell Coker Subject: Re: [luv-talk] Patriarchy and Matriarchy put to the test inadvertently To: luv-talk@lists.luv.asn.au On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:45:33 Tim Josling wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbags-tears-t
oilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thought-shed-kissed-goodbye-c
onflict-.html _
If we are going to look at male behavior in a mostly-male environment one example that should be considered is the Debian project. Some years ago Debian had no procedures for expelling Developers for anything other than criminal action. When some DDs didn't get along then things just became increasingly hostile until someone voluntarily left. I presume that someone who had access to the debian-private archives and little understanding of people could write an article for the Daily Mail about how a 98% male project didn't kiss goodbye to conflict, however that would be a really stupid article. In recent times DDs have been expelled for being assholes and things are a lot better.
Debian is a successful project that took steps to ensure its continued success. Problem? No-one is suggesting that all men are wonderful or that all the world's problems would go away if only men ran things.
Tim, I don't expect you to consider these issues or change your opinion of women. I'm writing this for the benefit of other people who are less misogynistic than you.
Again, what's with the amateur psychology and mind reading? Misogyny, cowardice, homophobia... My concern is not at all with women but with the overblown claims that all we need to do is empower women and all will be sweetness and light. Women and men both have their strengths and weaknesses. In terms of the original articles what would be more convincing would be a significant counter-example. An organization that is successfully, other than in merely gaining government funding, and is almost entirely run by and funded by women. A female Linux or Debian project for example, or a female Google - "How I got my company into the S&P500 by employing only women".