On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 9:14 PM, Lev Lafayette <lev@levlafayette.com> wrote:

On Fri, November 7, 2014 9:06 pm, Michael Scott wrote:
>
> If you are a biblical Christian, it is quite clear what Christians
> believe about same sex relationships and about marriage.

Like I said, you are thoroughly entitled to your religious beliefs. Just
don't impose them on other people. Don't believe in same-sex marriage?
Fine, don't have one.

I haven't and don't intend to impose anything on anyone. It's same sex activists wanting to impose their beliefs on what already exists and change the definition of marriage. Whether I choose to "have one" or not is not the issue. GLBT activists want to change the definition of marriage. That's IMPOSING your beliefs on others, not the other way around. 

> There are Baptists and there are "Baptists".

Secular Baptism is very much a result of the persecution that Baptists
suffered under the Christian governments not of their denomination.

They're either secular or they're Baptist. They can't be both. 

> To tell me that "as a Christian" is not a legitimate claim is to
> misunderstand what a Christian is. What is a "secular Christian"? A
> Christian is one who believes and trusts in Jesus Christ. A "secular
> Christian" just doesn't make sense.

Of course it does, and that is why the overwhelming majority of Christians
are secularists as well. A secular position is not an anti-religious one.
It stands for the freedom of religion and the freedom from religion. It's
about civil administrations taking a position of religious agnosticism;
providing neither opposition nor benefit to religious institutions and
treating them the same as any other group.

Again, they're either Christian or they're not. You can't be both Christian and secular. You either believe in, trust and follow Jesus Christ or you don't. 

It simple means that recognition that secular governance on Earth is based
on evidence available to all, and is thus different to the eternal
governance of the heavens.

That works for those who want to say they're Christian, but you don't have to read much of the Bible to know that it doesn't work like that.

> Do we have to get into this argument again, just because Russell chooses
> to bring it up again?

I'm choosing to bring it up as well, as are you apparently.

No, I'm happy to tell it like it is, but the weight of numbers doesn't make either of you right. This is irrelevant to the original discussion but Russell decided to bring it up from nowhere, for his own purposes. Now you're happy to continue an irrelevant discussion for your own purposes. That's sad. 
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