29 Mar
2018
29 Mar
'18
4:34 p.m.
I've done a fresh install of Debian/Testing on a new laptop and the volume control
buttons aren't working. They make no apparent difference to the volume and no change
to the volume settings according to alsamixer.
It seems that the backend is "Phonon VLC". Is it possible to have KDE use ALSA
directly without such things?
Is there another desktop environment that has a more minimalist design without being like
TWM? I want something that has notifications for USB devices, battery, network manager,
etc but not too much else in the way of trying to take over everything and not having a
process like plasmashell taking 10% of a CPU core when nothing is happening.
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29 Mar
29 Mar
8:11 p.m.
Hello Russell,
On 3/29/18, Russell Coker via luv-main <luv-main(a)luv.asn.au> wrote:
I've done a fresh install of Debian/Testing on a
new laptop and the volume
control buttons aren't working. They make no apparent difference to the
volume and no change to the volume settings according to alsamixer.
It seems that the backend is "Phonon VLC". Is it possible to have KDE use
ALSA directly without such things?
Check and double check. Someone else was asking a while back about the
Linux audio stack, on another forum, and I was digging around. Go
looking for Pulse Audio, I think, certainly whichever it was, it had
Lennart Poettering all through it, and trouble cooperating with other
layers.
Is there another desktop environment that has a more
minimalist design
without being like TWM? I want something that has notifications for USB
devices, battery, network manager, etc but not too much else in the way of
trying to take over everything and not having a process like plasmashell
taking 10% of a CPU core when nothing is happening.
I understand, very much. I am not happy with where all of them have
gone, and even more displeased with the assumptions behind all of
them. Yes, there are background tasks that make life easier, but there
are things that we can learn to do for ourselves, and have a better
experience for doing so, it works "our" way.
I know you have a preference for KDE styles, but it may be worth
looking at "Mate" and "Cinnamon". Yes, time to install and look
around, but a better idea of how they behave, and possibly better able
to suggest which to choose for others. I tend to stick with the
"traditional" style of Gnome, and I too will be looking around again
in due course.
The other aggravation is that both the major desktops tend to have
"tied" applications that share a family of libraries, and mix and
match applications can bring in both sets of libraries, and even
multiple versions of each, swallowing much disk space.
This is not to advocate for a totally minimalist way, too much like
the closed Mac silo ecosystem, but a better considered approach. Try
to think about what functionality is necessary, what is a nice add on,
and where it can be made extensible as things change, that can lead
the programmers to do a more stable base that can better change with
the changing usage.
Regards,
Mark Trickett
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:58 a.m.
On Thursday, 29 March 2018 8:11:58 PM AEDT Mark Trickett via luv-main wrote:
Actually I'm not totally set on using ALSA. But I do prefer to use something
that allows me to control things via a text mode interface, if only to provide
a good way of verifying that things work as desired.
I don't mind things that Lennart does, they generally work and are usually
adequately documented.
It seems that
the backend is "Phonon VLC". Is it possible to have KDE use
ALSA directly without such things?
Check and double check. Someone else was asking a while back about the
Linux audio stack, on another forum, and I was digging around. Go
looking for Pulse Audio, I think, certainly whichever it was, it had
Lennart Poettering all through it, and trouble cooperating with other
layers. I know you have a preference for KDE styles, but it
may be worth
looking at "Mate" and "Cinnamon". Yes, time to install and look
around, but a better idea of how they behave, and possibly better able
to suggest which to choose for others. I tend to stick with the
"traditional" style of Gnome, and I too will be looking around again
in due course.
Thanks, I'll give it a go.
The other aggravation is that both the major desktops
tend to have
"tied" applications that share a family of libraries, and mix and
match applications can bring in both sets of libraries, and even
multiple versions of each, swallowing much disk space.
Plasmashell takes 300M+ of resident memory and up to 10% of a 64bit CPU core.
While there are some overheads in having 2 separate sets of libraries I don't
think it matters when compared to that.
Current Linux desktop environments have features that compare poorly to OS/2
2.x (which ran nicely in 16M of RAM). Apart from managing dynamic network
connections and dynamic devices (bluetooth and USB) the Windows 3.1 GUI
satisfied most of the needs of most users and ran in 2M of RAM.
As for ease of use, having to ask on a mailing list for something like this
after spending a few hours fiddling and Googling is a serious problem IMHO.
Changing sound volume shouldn't be a difficult problem to solve, and in
earlier versions of KDE it just worked.
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29 Mar
29 Mar
8:55 p.m.
On 29/03/18 16:34, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:
I've done a fresh install of Debian/Testing on a
new laptop and the volume control buttons aren't working. They make no apparent
difference to the volume and no change to the volume settings according to alsamixer.
If you can still change the volume via a mixer app, it sounds like the
problem is with the buttons providing the right inputs. That may
require changing the keyboard settings or something like that. And some
laptops handle those buttons specially, through ACPI or other BIOS
hacks, and therefore need special kernel drivers (!)
Is there another desktop environment that has a more
minimalist design without being like TWM? I want something that has notifications for USB
devices, battery, network manager, etc but not too much else in the way of trying to take
over everything and not having a process like plasmashell taking 10% of a CPU core when
nothing is happening.
I like XFCE, which like Cinnamon and Mate is inspired by earlier
versions of Gnome, but I've also used LXDE which is even more minimal.
And we had a great presentation on i3wm at the last LUV workshop.
Cheers,
Andrew
30 Mar
30 Mar
12:45 a.m.
On Thursday, 29 March 2018 8:55:56 PM AEDT Andrew Pam via luv-main wrote:
Thanks, I'll check them out.
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On 29/03/18 16:34, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:
There were some issues in that regard, the volume up button only sometimes
works, so I remapped them in KDE. I didn't mention that because it just
complicates the description. But the volume down button always works at the
Linux level so the inability to lower the volume is definitely a KDE issue.
I've done a fresh install of Debian/Testing
on a new laptop and the volume
control buttons aren't working. They make no apparent difference to the
volume and no change to the volume settings according to alsamixer.
If you can
still change the volume via a mixer app, it sounds like the
problem is with the buttons providing the right inputs. That may
require changing the keyboard settings or something like that. And some
laptops handle those buttons specially, through ACPI or other BIOS
hacks, and therefore need special kernel drivers (!) Is there
another desktop environment that has a more minimalist design
without being like TWM? I want something that has notifications for USB
devices, battery, network manager, etc but not too much else in the way
of trying to take over everything and not having a process like
plasmashell taking 10% of a CPU core when nothing is happening.
I like XFCE, which
like Cinnamon and Mate is inspired by earlier
versions of Gnome, but I've also used LXDE which is even more minimal.
And we had a great presentation on i3wm at the last LUV workshop.
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