Hi there! We have moved to GMail from our own servers. For good reasons I have 4 mailboxes that I use. (At least one of which receives 200 messages per hour with a rule in place to move some of the content into folders). I am using Thunderbird right now and the performance of GMail vs our Dovecot (Linux IMAP server) is sluggish. In addition mail takes longer to arrive and polling seems to cache old message lists. Given that we cannot move away from GMail is it a client issue? Is there a better client? Any feedback welcomed. Have a great day. P
Piers Rowan via luv-main wrote:
Hi there!
We have moved to GMail from our own servers. For good reasons I have 4 mailboxes that I use. (At least one of which receives 200 messages per hour with a rule in place to move some of the content into folders).
I am using Thunderbird right now and the performance of GMail vs our Dovecot (Linux IMAP server) is sluggish. In addition mail takes longer to arrive and polling seems to cache old message lists.
Given that we cannot move away from GMail is it a client issue? Is there a better client?
Promises to be an interesting discussion! :-) regards Rohan Mcleod --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com
I've found Google Apps sluggish when it comes to bulk actions. Even using its own tools to migrate from Exchange, it's slow. I admit, more and more I've stopped using a local MUA and switched to using the web interface a lot of the time. When I have had need to grab old user's emails and roll them into a "past employee's mailbox", it's been sloooooow and I've left it running in a background process, and had to do a couple of passes to ensure that all the emails were captured. Would be curious to see, however, what people do suggest for an MUA these days.. I mean, Outlook SUCKS BADLY for IMAP (want to purge the download cache? Delete the account and add it again :-/) and GSSMO has "Personality".. Evolution was horrible when I looked at it last (maybe it's improved?) and scattered files throughout the filesystem.. Sylpheed is very low-fi and only single threaded.. Is Thunderbird getting active development these days (did I misread awhile back it'd been kiiiinda orphaned at some stage?) I dunno, it feels like MUAs haven't been getting a lot of love of late. On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Rohan McLeod via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
Piers Rowan via luv-main wrote:
Hi there!
We have moved to GMail from our own servers. For good reasons I have 4 mailboxes that I use. (At least one of which receives 200 messages per hour with a rule in place to move some of the content into folders).
I am using Thunderbird right now and the performance of GMail vs our Dovecot (Linux IMAP server) is sluggish. In addition mail takes longer to arrive and polling seems to cache old message lists.
Given that we cannot move away from GMail is it a client issue? Is there a better client?
Promises to be an interesting discussion! :-)
regards Rohan Mcleod
--- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com
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On 26/01/18 19:39, Anthony via luv-main wrote:
Is Thunderbird getting active development these days (did I misread awhile back it'd been kiiiinda orphaned at some stage?)
Yes, sadly TB doesn't get anywhere near the love it deserves. I can't understand why so many people are so happy to use Lookout (as an MUA and via web) or Gmail -- don't they care at all about privacy and seucrity? I think that TB was "almost" orphaned, but it hasn't been; still it is not getting much real support from Mozilla whom seem to care only about their 57+ browser....
I dunno, it feels like MUAs haven't been getting a lot of love of late.
TB is the absolute best email client and it really needs more love to keep it that way. Cheers A.
Quoting Andrew McGlashan (andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au):
I think that TB was "almost" orphaned, but it hasn't been; still it is not getting much real support from Mozilla whom seem to care only about their 57+ browser....
Firefox gets them revenue. Thunderbird doesn't. It's always important to remember who's the customer and what is the revenue model for any profit-oriented business. In this case, Mozilla Corporation makes its revenue primarily from Google, Inc for making Firefox & SeaMonkey's default search engine be Google Search, and from click-through revenlues on advertisements placed on search result pages. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation
TB is the absolute best email client and it really needs more love to keep it that way.
The absolute best e-mail client is mutt. The best _graphical_ e-mail client is mutt in an xterm. ;->
On 27.01.18 08:02, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
The absolute best e-mail client is mutt. The best _graphical_ e-mail client is mutt in an xterm. ;->
+1 After moving to it around the turn of the millennium, any incentive to look at anything else vanished, and has not resurfaced. With fetchmail bringing the mail in, and procmail distributing to half a dozen inboxes, I'm tonight going through (some of) 1400+ emails after a few days away. Procmail filtering has diverted 379 of low interest, and mutt presents the remaining sorted inboxes in priority order. And in mutt, any mail worth keeping is saved into 1261 archive mailboxes (as of this instant), so that a grep of one or two words is targeted within a small subject area. OK, it is best to let all the 1400 come in before digging into a thread, but there's almost always a few emails in the first-presented mailbox which are not list traffic, so won't have replies. No confusion will result from dealing with them while fetchmail brings in the rest. So I'm not aware of the time it takes for them to come in, and don't wee why that would be an issue. (And certainly has nothing to do with my MUA.) Erik
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, at 1:49 AM, Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
On 26/01/18 19:39, Anthony via luv-main wrote:
Is Thunderbird getting active development these days (did I misread awhile back it'd been kiiiinda orphaned at some stage?)
Yes, sadly TB doesn't get anywhere near the love it deserves. I can't understand why so many people are so happy to use Lookout (as an MUA and via web) or Gmail -- don't they care at all about privacy and seucrity?
I think that TB was "almost" orphaned, but it hasn't been; still it is not getting much real support from Mozilla whom seem to care only about their 57+ browser....
Mozilla hired developers for Thunderbird last year and are continuing to hire:
These four staff members are just the beginning. The project is currently in the process of hiring developers to address some technical debt, fix some sore points in the software and transition the codebase from a mix of C++, JavaScript, XUL and XPCOM to be increasingly based on web technologies.
https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/12/new-thunderbird-releases-and-ne... https://twitter.com/mozthunderbird Regards, Graeme
On 29/01/18 09:58, Graeme Cross via luv-main wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jan 2018, at 1:49 AM, Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
On 26/01/18 19:39, Anthony via luv-main wrote:
Is Thunderbird getting active development these days (did I misread awhile back it'd been kiiiinda orphaned at some stage?) Yes, sadly TB doesn't get anywhere near the love it deserves. I can't understand why so many people are so happy to use Lookout (as an MUA and via web) or Gmail -- don't they care at all about privacy and seucrity?
I think that TB was "almost" orphaned, but it hasn't been; still it is not getting much real support from Mozilla whom seem to care only about their 57+ browser....
Mozilla hired developers for Thunderbird last year and are continuing to hire:
These four staff members are just the beginning. The project is currently in the process of hiring developers to address some technical debt, fix some sore points in the software and transition the codebase from a mix of C++, JavaScript, XUL and XPCOM to be increasingly based on web technologies. https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2017/12/new-thunderbird-releases-and-ne...
https://twitter.com/mozthunderbird
Regards, Graeme _______________________________________________
I gave geary a go with gmail accounts and it was really fast. It doesn't have as many features as Thunderbird though. from Michael
Piers Rowan via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> writes:
We have moved to GMail from our own servers. For good reasons I have 4 mailboxes that I use. (At least one of which receives 200 messages per hour with a rule in place to move some of the content into folders).
I am using Thunderbird right now and the performance of GMail vs our Dovecot (Linux IMAP server) is sluggish. In addition mail takes longer to arrive and polling seems to cache old message lists.
Given that we cannot move away from GMail is it a client issue? Is there a better client?
I use notmuch myself. Open source, open API, bindings for different languages such as Python, many different clients (I generally use the emacs front end), handles large amounts of emails fast. The downsides are - doesn't integrate very well with imap. Best results when you download all emails to a Maildir. This means accessing email from mobile not great. As a result, need to think carefully about backing up emails. Also using a text base mail client I noticed a number of senders will send emails with different text for text/plain and text/html sections - very confusing - or - more common - send HTML in text/plain parts. -- Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
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