Quoting Les Kitchen (ljk(a)csse.unimelb.edu.au):
Yes, though by then the LUV name and LUV domain would
LA. Still, I don't think that's a major obstacle. If
(hypothetically) after the merger we decided to split from LA,
then I'd expect that the LA people would be reasonable, and
amicably let us have the LUV name/domain back.
I would hope that is true of the Linux Australia folks, and I know of no
reason why it wouldn't be.
The experience of Silicon Valley Linux User Group with these matters was
not good -- though it was eventually worked out at the expense of some
serious problems and hard feelings.
SVLUG was originally a SIG (special interest group) starting of Silicon
Valley Computer Society (SVCS), the latter serving as the tax-exempt
incorporated 'umbrella' group. In 2004, somehow the active
volunteers arrived at the (erroneous) conclusion that SVCS had
folded, and decided to re-affiliate with new umbrella group SBAY.ORG
(South Bay Community Network), an amateur radio group that also had
involvement in Linux and related matters. SBAY.ORG
agreed that SVLUG would
continue to have a president and vice-president elected by the SVLUG
membership, that SBAY.ORG
would not interfere in SVLUG's internal affairs,
and that SBAY.ORG
would furnish the corporate umbrella and liability
The association turned sour within a year. SBAY.ORG's president
reacted to SVLUG's elected president's desire to inform the membership
about discussions concerning whether there were any benefit to
continuing the SIG affiliation by threatening to 'remove' him.
About a month later, SVLUG's president likewise suggested putting the
question of continued affiliation up to a referendum vote: SBAY.ORG's
president declared such a vote 'unauthorised' and again threatened to
'removed' SVLUG's elected president.
During this period, SVLUG's members inquired with SBAY.ORG
about details of
SBAY.ORG's incorporation and liability insurance, as we were unable to
confirm existence of incorporation or other records. SBAY.ORG
no reply (a point I'll come back to, presently).
After discussion among the membership, a referendum was held on
2006-03-01, and the members voted for resumed independence. SVLUG's
president asked, a few days later, for return of the svlug.org
domain. SBAY.ORG's president refused, and also refused to furnish an
example copy of the current zonefile, and also switched off the master
nameservice. (Nameservice persisted because one of the secondaries
refused to comply with shutdown.)
Something like a week later, SBAY.ORG's president gave the svlug.org
-- not to SVLUG -- but rather to SBAY.ORG's vice-president, who was one of
SVLUG's webmasters. She eventually gave the domain back to SVLUG.
After the above events, it emerged that SBAY.ORG
had told untruths about
being incorporated and having umbrella liability insurance. (Far less
did they have recognition of tax-exemption, which in the USA requires
incorporation as prerequisite for the category of tax-exemption sought
in this case..) The initial applicdation for incorporation got
belatedly filed shortly after we (SVLUG) politely asked for the
corporate registration number that we'd been unable to find. SBAY.ORG
the best of my knowledge do not have liability insurance to this day.
Later, we (SVLUG) also found that the entire basis for the SBAY.ORG
misadventage, the supposed collapse and disappearance of SVCS, was
simply untrue. However, at that point we'd had entirely enough of
'umbrella' corporate groups, and had found the alleged benefits to be
illusory, so we have remained independent.
(More about the SBAY.ORG
debacle for anyone who cares is at a flyer and
supporting FAQ: http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/flyer.sxw
I am _not_ claiming that this calamity is likely for LUV. However, if
you want to make sure it cannot happen, then transfer ownership of the
luv.asn.au Internet domain to friendly insider individuals and keep it
 I was absent from SVLUG during that period, or would have caught
 Based on research of the many, many misconceptions about tax
law, liability, and insurance that fueled the SBAY.ORG
I expandeded the Linux User Group HOWTO's coverage of legal and
organisational issues accordingly. Note in particular the
'Common Misconceptoions Debunked' section for USA LUGs inside
Whether similar considerations apply in Oz, I cannot say,
but always welcome contributions to the HOWTO.