Hi everyone, Happy new year! If anyone has any advice for me on the following, it would be very much appreciated. Problem statement: I'm reliant on Windows for music. I own an iPod shuffle, and am reliant on iTunes to download music to this device. What I would like to do is buy another, non-Apple music player, and fulfill the following requirements; 1. Run a music program within Linux (Ubuntu / Unity) 2. Download music legally within Linux 3. Load my music player from within the music program 4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program. What are my options? Regards, Kathy
On 01/01/2012, at 9:55 PM, Kathy Reid wrote:
Hi everyone, Happy new year!
If anyone has any advice for me on the following, it would be very much appreciated.
Problem statement:
I'm reliant on Windows for music. I own an iPod shuffle, and am reliant on iTunes to download music to this device. There are a few options to move music to an iPod, although I don't currently do it anymore I have done it in the past. What I would like to do is buy another, non-Apple music player, and fulfill the following requirements;
1. Run a music program within Linux (Ubuntu / Unity) 2. Download music legally within Linux 3. Load my music player from within the music program 4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program.
What are my options?
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Kathy Reid <kathy@kathyreid.id.au> wrote:
What I would like to do is buy another, non-Apple music player, and fulfill the following requirements;
1. Run a music program within Linux (Ubuntu / Unity)
Maybe I should have started a separate thread for this, but I have a related question. Is there a music-organizing tool available for Linux that can properly take account of the structure of a musical work? According to a reliable source who has investigated the issue, most such tools only store metadata at the individual track/file level. Thus, for example, you can't select an entire symphony without selecting each of the movements individually, or specify that you want, say, the second movement, or choose a specific act/scene in an opera.
2. Download music legally within Linux
You'll need to obtain the music from a site that doesn't employ DRM ("Digital Restrictions Management", as the FSF rightly call it). There are sites that sell DRM-free music files (for example, in MP3 format) with proper copyright licencing. Amazon.com is the largest, but as far as I know, their music collection isn't offered in Australia yet.
3. Load my music player from within the music program
I think that's a standard feature these days.
4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program.
Apple's DRM might prevent you from doing so. That's one reason why I don't have Apple media hardware - it's too restrictive.
On 2012-01-02 10:40, Jason White wrote: [...]
4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program.
Apple's DRM might prevent you from doing so. That's one reason why I don't have Apple media hardware - it's too restrictive.
I investigated Apple's DRM the other day when considering purchasing some music on iTunes, and found this[1] which claims that Apple music doesn't have DRM anymore. 1. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/06Changes-Coming-to-the-iTunes-Store... -- Regards, Matthew Cengia
Matthew Cengia <mattcen@gmail.com> wrote:
I investigated Apple's DRM the other day when considering purchasing some music on iTunes, and found this[1] which claims that Apple music doesn't have DRM anymore.
In that case, the Linux compatibility problem reduces to that of file transfer from the player and audio format support, which should be considerably easier to solve.
Hi Everyone My experience has been that newer ipods (last couple of years) don't play nice with most of the linux apps that claim to work with ipods. This is a deliberate move by apple to close down free software accessing the players. I had an ipod classic which was "bricked" in just this way. Buyer Beware. Cheers Paul Miller On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Jason White <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Matthew Cengia <mattcen@gmail.com> wrote:
I investigated Apple's DRM the other day when considering purchasing some music on iTunes, and found this[1] which claims that Apple music doesn't have DRM anymore.
In that case, the Linux compatibility problem reduces to that of file transfer from the player and audio format support, which should be considerably easier to solve.
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On Mon, Jan 02, 2012 at 10:40:49AM +1100, Jason White wrote:
Is there a music-organizing tool available for Linux that can properly take account of the structure of a musical work? According to a reliable source who has investigated the issue, most such tools only store metadata at the individual track/file level. Thus, for example, you can't select an entire symphony without selecting each of the movements individually, or specify that you want, say, the second movement, or choose a specific act/scene in an opera.
i've ripped large (300+MB) flac files that contain an entire album with pointers/indexes to particular tracks within the album. when you load them into a player[1] it shows up as multiple titles in your collection, not just one. the advantage over ripping to one track/file is that it doesn't introduce pauses between tracks....you can play the whole file just like a CD. presumably, it's possible to create flac files with arbitrary index points if the individual movements of your CD don't correspond to tracks but i've never bothered finding out how to rip to a flac file manually. [1] i use exaile and clementine - i prefer exaile because it's gtk, but the qt-based clementine has better features, it's a clone of the old amarok 1.x. it wouldn't take much for exaile to match clementine's features (all it really needs is better playlist management, and a "stop after this track" button). They're both pretty light-weight, start up very quickly, and have sane collection management and browsing (i've tried banshee and rhythmbox and find their collection management to be seriously brain-damaged - maybe it's something i'm missing but i find them to be clumsy to the point of unusable). I used to like amarok until the 2.x release which (IMO) buggered up a nearly perfect user-interface and made it unusable...both exaile and clementine are quite similar to the old amarok 1.x UI. Just to check it out again, i started Amarok 2.5 almost 20 mins ago and it's STILL displaying the amarok splash screen (which must be flagged always-on-top because it's obscuring the windows i want to use)....i have no idea what it's doing, but the disks are thrashing away. i think i'll have to just kill it.
2. Download music legally within Linux
You'll need to obtain the music from a site that doesn't employ DRM ("Digital Restrictions Management", as the FSF rightly call it). There are sites that sell DRM-free music files (for example, in MP3 format) with proper copyright licencing. Amazon.com is the largest, but as far as I know, their music collection isn't offered in Australia yet.
several of the linux music players have built-in support for some alternative music stores like magnatune (none of which have the range of itunes). personally, i'd rather download them separately from a web browser and then move/copy them into my player's collection directories. IMO, purchasing should be completely separate from collection management and playing. more importantly, there should only ever be a limited number of programs which ever have access to my credit card / paypal / banking details. e.g. i only ever use one browser (galeon - old, minimalist, no plugins and hasn't really been maintained/updated for years) on a separate login account (with gdm configured to start up two login screens on two VTs so i can login to the other account without having to logout from my main account) for my internet banking, and that's ALL i ever use it for so there's no chance of some javascript malware stealing information from my browser. I do credit-card online purchases with iceape (aka seamonkey) on this account, which only gets used for that. generic browsing i do with chromium and iceweasel (firefox). i'll do small paypal transactions with these sometimes - my paypal account does *NOT* have access to my bank account, it only has access to a debit card with a few hundred dollars in it at most. i transfer money into it when i need to buy something.
3. Load my music player from within the music program
I think that's a standard feature these days.
4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program.
Apple's DRM might prevent you from doing so. That's one reason why I don't have Apple media hardware - it's too restrictive.
it might be possible to install rockbox on Kathy's ipod shuffle. http://www.rockbox.org/ "Rockbox is a free replacement firmware for digital music players. It runs on a wide range of players: Stable ports Rockbox runs well on these players, has a complete manual and is supported by the installer: Apple: iPod 1g through 5.5g, iPod Mini, iPod Nano 1g and iPod Nano 2g Archos: Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio, Recorder, FM Recorder, Recorder V2 and Ondio Cowon: iAudio X5, X5V, X5L, M5, M5L, M3 and M3L iriver: iHP100 series, H100 series, H300 series and H10 series Olympus: M:Robe 100 Packard Bell: Vibe 500 SanDisk: Sansa c200 (not v2), e200 and e200R series, Fuze, Clip and Clip+ Toshiba: Gigabeat X and F series ...." Otherwise, there are numerous mp3 players that support non-DRM files and a wider range of codes (like ogg and flac), and let you just copy files to/from them as a USB storage device. As do generic Android devices. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
Craig Sanders <cas@taz.net.au> wrote:
i've ripped large (300+MB) flac files that contain an entire album with pointers/indexes to particular tracks within the album. when you load them into a player[1] it shows up as multiple titles in your collection, not just one.
the advantage over ripping to one track/file is that it doesn't introduce pauses between tracks....you can play the whole file just like a CD.
This is exactly how I would proceed when transferring from CD.
presumably, it's possible to create flac files with arbitrary index points if the individual movements of your CD don't correspond to tracks but i've never bothered finding out how to rip to a flac file manually.
The individual movements usually do correspond to tracks, but the problem is that there is a need for at least one level of hierarchy between the entire work and the tracks/movements.
On 01/01/12 21:55, Kathy Reid wrote:
What I would like to do is buy another, non-Apple music player, and fulfill the following requirements;
1. Run a music program within Linux (Ubuntu / Unity) 2. Download music legally within Linux 3. Load my music player from within the music program 4. Convert the music from iTunes/Apple format and have it available to the Linux music program.
I bought a Sansa Fuse from Accessible Electronics. They sell music players pre-installed with Rockbox (free software music player firmware). I've been very happy with the player. Accessible Electronics markets their devices to visually impaired people who can benefit from Rockbox's "speak the menus" feature. It even survived a trip through our washing machine. Whoops! Ben
Ben Sturmfels <ben@stumbles.id.au> wrote:
Accessible Electronics markets their devices to visually impaired people who can benefit from Rockbox's "speak the menus" feature.
That's a very good idea. I think phones, tablets and their successors are going to eliminate the music player market though.
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