Re: [luv-announce] Reminder: LUV AGM (3 Sept) and proxies and deadline
Les Kitchen wrote:
Proxy form follows below. You can copy'n'paste it into your email.
-- All the best, Les Kitchen (as LUV Secretary).
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APPENDIX 3
FORM OF APPOINTMENT OF PROXY
I, _________________________________________________________________________,
of _________________________________________________________________________
being a member of
Linux Users of Victoria, Inc.
appoint ____________________________________________________________________
of _________________________________________________________________________
Les; I am another who can't make it to "1st Tue meetings due to a clash with the Existentialist Society; so; 1/ is the proxy form asking for my address at the first line commencing "of" ? ; 2/ if for example I was using Lev as my proxy, what should go at the second line commencing "of" ? thanks Rohan McLeod
On 31/08/2013, at 10:25 AM, Rohan McLeod <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote:
Les Kitchen wrote:
Proxy form follows below. You can copy'n'paste it into your email.
-- All the best, Les Kitchen (as LUV Secretary).
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APPENDIX 3
FORM OF APPOINTMENT OF PROXY
I, _________________________________________________________________________,
of _________________________________________________________________________
being a member of
Linux Users of Victoria, Inc.
appoint ____________________________________________________________________
of _________________________________________________________________________
Les; I am another who can't make it to "1st Tue meetings due to a clash with the Existentialist Society; so; 1/ is the proxy form asking for my address at the first line commencing "of" ? ; 2/ if for example I was using Lev as my proxy, what should go at the second line commencing "of" ?
thanks Rohan McLeod
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Also, there should be a space/line that allows the the person giving their proxy to direct their vote e.g. With respect to the disincorporation motion some may want to direct the proxy holder to vote for or against the motion.
is there a list of people volunteering to act as proxies and promising to be there at the AGM? or should we all just spam Lev with proxy forms? craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
On Sun, September 1, 2013 3:11 pm, Craig Sanders wrote:
is there a list of people volunteering to act as proxies and promising to be there at the AGM?
or should we all just spam Lev with proxy forms?
Spamming me (with proxy forms) is fine. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GCertPM, MBA mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
Hi Craig, [Hope you don't mind: I'm cc'ing this to luv-main, since other people might also be interested.]
is there a list of people volunteering to act as proxies and promising to be there at the AGM?
There's no official list. You could post to luv-main asking for volunteers. (Only so much the committee can do).
or should we all just spam Lev with proxy forms?
It's not really spamming Lev, as spamming the LUV Secretary. Technically, the rules say that proxies have to be sent to the LUV Secretary. If you're giving your proxy to (say) Lev, then (strictly speaking) he doesn't even need to know about it until the meeting. I suggested cc'ing your proxy email to the person you're giving your proxy to mostly just as a courtesy and to avoid any misunderstandings, like that the intended proxy holder couldn't actually make it anyway. Really, the option of nominating the President as proxy makes it hardly necessary to have a separate list of proxy volunteers. Like I've said before, a member can hold proxies both for and against a resolution, and vote them accordingly. However, if you felt comfortable giving your proxy only to somebody who you were sure shared your opinion, then I guess you could call for such a volunteer on luv-main -- though there's not a lot of time left to arrange all that. Makes sense? -- Smiles, Les.
On Sun, Sep 01, 2013 at 10:23:54PM +1000, Les Kitchen wrote:
Really, the option of nominating the President as proxy makes it hardly necessary to have a separate list of proxy volunteers. Like I've said before, a member can hold proxies both for and against a resolution, and vote them accordingly.
sounds good to me.
However, if you felt comfortable giving your proxy only to somebody who you were sure shared your opinion,
Lev's a pretty trustworthy and ethical person so i trust him to handle my proxy vote correctly whether his personal opinion agreed with mine or not - my concern was whether it was fair or reasonable to put the burden of a large number of proxy votes all on one person. Lev's said it's OK by him, so i'm happy with that. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
[In reply to Craig Sanders:]
Lev's a pretty trustworthy and ethical person so i trust him to handle my proxy vote correctly whether his personal opinion agreed with mine or not - my concern was whether it was fair or reasonable to put the burden of a large number of proxy votes all on one person.
Well, technically it's LUV Secretary who has to collate all the proxies, so really it's not much burden on the receiver of the proxy, in this case Lev. And it's about the same work for LUV Secretary whether the proxies go to one person or many, maybe a tiny bit less if they all go to one person. -- Smiles, Les.
However, if you felt comfortable giving your proxy only to somebody who you were sure shared your opinion,
Lev's a pretty trustworthy and ethical person so i trust him to handle my proxy vote correctly whether his personal opinion agreed with mine or not - my concern was whether it was fair or reasonable to put the burden of a large number of proxy votes all on one person.
This question of burden on a single person was something that the Committee has considered specifically here. And agreed that the best way was to have Lev as the "proxy spamming target"! It really shows a weakness in the proxy arrangement. Cheers Daniel.
Lev's said it's OK by him, so i'm happy with that.
craig
On Mon, September 2, 2013 9:59 am, Daniel Jitnah wrote:
However, if you felt comfortable giving your proxy only to somebody who you were sure shared your opinion,
Lev's a pretty trustworthy and ethical person so i trust him to handle my proxy vote correctly whether his personal opinion agreed with mine or not - my concern was whether it was fair or reasonable to put the burden of a large number of proxy votes all on one person.
This question of burden on a single person was something that the Committee has considered specifically here. And agreed that the best way was to have Lev as the "proxy spamming target"! It really shows a weakness in the proxy arrangement.
Apropos, a member is entitled to submit a proxy to any other member. The suggestion of nominating the chairperson was, barring disaster, one can be reasonably confident that the chairperson will turn up to the meeting! -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GCertPM, MBA mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
The suggestion of nominating the chairperson was, barring disaster, one can be reasonably confident that the chairperson will turn up to the meeting!
It's even more disasterproof that that. If by some weird chance, Lev wasn't there, we'd have the option of adjourning the AGM. If Lev weren't there, holding a block of proxies, and the LUV members present wouldn't agree on reasonable option of adjourning, then I'd lose all faith in humanity. -- Smiles, Les.
On Mon, September 2, 2013 4:39 pm, Les Kitchen wrote:
The suggestion of nominating the chairperson was, barring disaster, one can be reasonably confident that the chairperson will turn up to the meeting!
It's even more disasterproof that that. If by some weird chance, Lev wasn't there, we'd have the option of adjourning the AGM. If Lev weren't there, holding a block of proxies, and the LUV members present wouldn't agree on reasonable option of adjourning, then I'd lose all faith in humanity.
I must bring up this anecdote; I was once part of a tabletop roleplaying club in Perth that decided to review their entire constitution point-by-point, either offering a new rule or confirming the existing clause. Each item required a two-thirds majority to pass. When it came to the membership list, the existing clause was to have to a membership list in alphabetical order. This lead to a debate that lasted the better part of an ninety minutes. The vote received majority, but not the necessary two-thirds. The clause was not confirmed and thus deleted. An alternative motion was put, just to have a membership list - with the order unspecified. This too received a majority, but enough of the supporters of the previous motion voted against the alternative, ensuring that did not receive the necessary two-thirds majority either. It was this point, I got up and left, ensuring that the assembled gamers were informed (I could have been a more polite) that they had just decided that the club would *not* have a membership list at all. If I recall correctly, they hastily decided to revisit their options. -- Lev Lafayette, BA (Hons), GCertPM, MBA mobile: 0432 255 208 RFC 1855 Netiquette Guidelines http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt
This question of burden on a single person was something that the Committee has considered specifically here. And agreed that the best way was to have Lev as the "proxy spamming target"! It really shows a weakness in the proxy arrangement. Apropos, a member is entitled to submit a proxy to any other member.
The suggestion of nominating the chairperson was, barring disaster, one can be reasonably confident that the chairperson will turn up to the meeting!
May I nominate Daniel as my proxy please. Thanks in advance Roger
Hi Rohan (and luv-main),
1/ is the proxy form asking for my address at the first line commencing "of" ? ;
Yeah. That's common for legal forms and such. I think the purpose is to distinguish you from the evil-twin Rohan McLeod from a parallel universe, who lives across the road from you. IANAL, as they say, but if you don't feel comfortable putting your precise address there, then putting your town/suburb, Victoria, would be practically sufficient and observe the rituals.
2/ if for example I was using Lev as my proxy, what should go at the second line commencing "of" ?
Well, one formula we think can properly go in there would be something like of unknown address, currently President of Linux Users of Victoria, Inc. It would clearly distinguish our Lev from all the other Lev Lafayettes in the known universe. -- Smiles, Les.
participants (7)
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Colin Fee -
Craig Sanders -
Daniel Jitnah -
Les Kitchen -
Lev Lafayette -
Roger -
Rohan McLeod