20 Dec
2014
20 Dec
'14
8:25 p.m.
Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about donations to the Hardware
Library. I think it's worth discussing the matter here.
P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful, systems based
around the AMD64 architecture are just too common. AGP video cards aren't
useful because they only fit older systems and people who still have such
systems in use are usually using them as routers or something. PCI Ethernet
cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are useful and 4 port Ethernet
cards are VERY useful.
RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't useful it's
small and light enough that I'm happy to take donations and sort them out
later.
SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks are
useful, for IDE 300G is large.
All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside if
anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll bring some along. I usually don't
carry them around due to driver issues.
I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are the type of
people who want that. ;)
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13 Jan
13 Jan
7:42 p.m.
Hi there,
I just recovered this message - got buried in my spam folder.
Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are many problems with
them ? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that
might be a topic that could help users.
Anyway I just wanted to acknowledge that I received your message Russell
albeit a bit late...
Have fun in NZ,
Mike
On 20/12/14 20:25, Russell Coker wrote:
Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about
donations to the Hardware
Library. I think it's worth discussing the matter here.
P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful, systems based
around the AMD64 architecture are just too common. AGP video cards aren't
useful because they only fit older systems and people who still have such
systems in use are usually using them as routers or something. PCI Ethernet
cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are useful and 4 port Ethernet
cards are VERY useful.
RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't useful it's
small and light enough that I'm happy to take donations and sort them out
later.
SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks are
useful, for IDE 300G is large.
All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside if
anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll bring some along. I usually don't
carry them around due to driver issues.
I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are the type of
people who want that. ;)
14 Jan
14 Jan
7:07 a.m.
The free driver for NVidia is Nouveau which has for a long time been lacking performance
features. I think that things are improving in that regard.
The non-free NVidia drivers have a history of security issues and kernel crashes.
On January 13, 2015 9:42:06 PM GMT+13:00, Mike <mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
I just recovered this message - got buried in my spam folder.
Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are many problems with
them ? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that
might be a topic that could help users.
Anyway I just wanted to acknowledge that I received your message
Russell
albeit a bit late...
Have fun in NZ,
Mike
On 20/12/14 20:25, Russell Coker wrote:
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Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about
donations to the
Hardware
Library. I think it's worth discussing the
matter here.
P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful,
systems based
around the AMD64 architecture are just too
common. AGP video cards
aren't
useful because they only fit older systems and
people who still have
such
systems in use are usually using them as routers
or something. PCI
Ethernet
cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are
useful and 4 port
Ethernet
cards are VERY useful.
RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't
useful
it's
small and light enough that I'm happy to take
donations and sort them
out
later.
SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks
are
useful, for IDE 300G is large.
All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside
if
anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll
bring some along. I
usually don't
carry them around due to driver issues.
I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are
the type of
people who want that. ;)
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12:24 p.m.
On 13 January 2015 at 19:42, Mike <mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are
many problems with them
? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that might be a
topic that could help users.
The open-source drivers for nvidia have historically been useless;
these days they're not so bad, but still not great, especially if you
have recently-released hardware.
However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years
now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right
GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing
it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative
then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just
Works and you can get on with your life.
T
1:36 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:24:36 pm Toby Corkindale wrote:
However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years
now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right
GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing
it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative
then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just
Works and you can get on with your life.
I hit a problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first to
make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this worked I
upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the openGL
library that nvidia installs. The result was an openGL system that crashed the
X server. This wouldn't have been a problem since I don't normally use openGL
but lo and behold the new version of KDE used openGL for some silly 3d effect
at login time. So always upgrade nvidia after X.
Apart from that everything works well.
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1:53 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Anthony Shipman <als(a)iinet.net.au> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:24:36 pm Toby Corkindale
wrote:
To be fair, that definitely sounds like a distribution problem.
An openGL package shouldn't be overwriting files owned by the nvidia package.
Can't really blame nvidia for that one.
The days of random crashes from the nvidia driver are decades ago.
/ Brett
However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years
now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right
GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing
it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative
then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just
Works and you can get on with your life.
I hit a problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first to
make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this worked I
upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the openGL
library that nvidia installs.
4:28 p.m.
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:53:50 pm Brett Pemberton wrote:
It's the other way around. The nvidia package overwrites the glx library
/usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
in the X distribution. Upgrading X breaks the nvidia driver unless it is
always immediately reinstalled.
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Anthony Shipman Mamas don't let your babies
als(a)iinet.net.au grow up to be outsourced.
I hit a
problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first
to make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this
worked I upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the
openGL library that nvidia installs.
To be fair, that definitely sounds like a distribution problem.
An openGL package shouldn't be overwriting files owned by the nvidia
package. Can't really blame nvidia for that one.
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