Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about donations to the Hardware Library. I think it's worth discussing the matter here. P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful, systems based around the AMD64 architecture are just too common. AGP video cards aren't useful because they only fit older systems and people who still have such systems in use are usually using them as routers or something. PCI Ethernet cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are useful and 4 port Ethernet cards are VERY useful. RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't useful it's small and light enough that I'm happy to take donations and sort them out later. SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks are useful, for IDE 300G is large. All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside if anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll bring some along. I usually don't carry them around due to driver issues. I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are the type of people who want that. ;) -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Hi there, I just recovered this message - got buried in my spam folder. Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are many problems with them ? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that might be a topic that could help users. Anyway I just wanted to acknowledge that I received your message Russell albeit a bit late... Have fun in NZ, Mike On 20/12/14 20:25, Russell Coker wrote:
Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about donations to the Hardware Library. I think it's worth discussing the matter here.
P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful, systems based around the AMD64 architecture are just too common. AGP video cards aren't useful because they only fit older systems and people who still have such systems in use are usually using them as routers or something. PCI Ethernet cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are useful and 4 port Ethernet cards are VERY useful.
RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't useful it's small and light enough that I'm happy to take donations and sort them out later.
SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks are useful, for IDE 300G is large.
All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside if anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll bring some along. I usually don't carry them around due to driver issues.
I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are the type of people who want that. ;)
The free driver for NVidia is Nouveau which has for a long time been lacking performance features. I think that things are improving in that regard. The non-free NVidia drivers have a history of security issues and kernel crashes. On January 13, 2015 9:42:06 PM GMT+13:00, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just recovered this message - got buried in my spam folder. Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are many problems with them ? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that might be a topic that could help users. Anyway I just wanted to acknowledge that I received your message Russell albeit a bit late... Have fun in NZ, Mike
On 20/12/14 20:25, Russell Coker wrote:
Today at the beginners meeting I was asked about donations to the Hardware Library. I think it's worth discussing the matter here.
P4 systems and most parts from that era generally aren't useful, systems based around the AMD64 architecture are just too common. AGP video cards aren't useful because they only fit older systems and people who still have such systems in use are usually using them as routers or something. PCI Ethernet cards have some use, 2 port Ethernet cards are useful and 4 port Ethernet cards are VERY useful.
RAM from systems of most ages is often useful, and when it isn't useful it's small and light enough that I'm happy to take donations and sort them out later.
SATA disks are always useful, even the small ones. Large IDE disks are useful, for IDE 300G is large.
All PCIe cards are useful except for NVidia video cards. As an aside if anyone wants an NVidia PCIe card then I'll bring some along. I usually don't carry them around due to driver issues.
I will bring the Hardware Library to the BBQ. I know that you are the type of people who want that. ;)
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On 13 January 2015 at 19:42, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Can I infer from the Nvidia comments that there are many problems with them ? Or are they just tricky but do work? If the latter then that might be a topic that could help users.
The open-source drivers for nvidia have historically been useless; these days they're not so bad, but still not great, especially if you have recently-released hardware. However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just Works and you can get on with your life. T
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:24:36 pm Toby Corkindale wrote:
However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just Works and you can get on with your life.
I hit a problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first to make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this worked I upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the openGL library that nvidia installs. The result was an openGL system that crashed the X server. This wouldn't have been a problem since I don't normally use openGL but lo and behold the new version of KDE used openGL for some silly 3d effect at login time. So always upgrade nvidia after X. Apart from that everything works well. -- Anthony Shipman Mamas don't let your babies als@iinet.net.au grow up to be outsourced.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Anthony Shipman <als@iinet.net.au> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:24:36 pm Toby Corkindale wrote:
However the official nvidia drivers have been pretty good for years now. There's a few tricky parts around building them, enabling right GL libraries and matching to the right kernel configs if you are doing it yourself, but if you use a distribution like Ubuntu or a derivative then you can just install their pre-packaged drivers and it all Just Works and you can get on with your life.
I hit a problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first to make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this worked I upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the openGL library that nvidia installs.
To be fair, that definitely sounds like a distribution problem. An openGL package shouldn't be overwriting files owned by the nvidia package. Can't really blame nvidia for that one. The days of random crashes from the nvidia driver are decades ago. / Brett
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:53:50 pm Brett Pemberton wrote:
I hit a problem a while back when upgrading. I upgraded the kernel first to make sure that it worked, including the nvidia driver. When this worked I upgraded the rest of the system, including X. This overwrote the openGL library that nvidia installs.
To be fair, that definitely sounds like a distribution problem.
An openGL package shouldn't be overwriting files owned by the nvidia package. Can't really blame nvidia for that one.
It's the other way around. The nvidia package overwrites the glx library /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so in the X distribution. Upgrading X breaks the nvidia driver unless it is always immediately reinstalled. -- Anthony Shipman Mamas don't let your babies als@iinet.net.au grow up to be outsourced.
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