[luv-main] Booting Ubuntu on EFI PC
HI guys, Having problems booting with Ubuntu 11.10 The PC works perfectly on live CD, detecting and configuring video correctly. Ubuntu install with no errors using default options. However when booting off newly installed OS, it just shows a blank white screen after showing a few bios stuff - I am not even sure if it has booted and it is just a video issue or a complete crash - but it does not seem to respond to keyboard. This is a new ASUS built box with a P8P67 LE Mobo. This has a EFI bios. So Is there a different installation procedure that needs to be done for EFI ? (its my first experience with EFI) Most EFI stuff from google seem to relate to Mac booting! Cheers Daniel
dan062 <dan062@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ubuntu install with no errors using default options.
However when booting off newly installed OS, it just shows a blank white screen after showing a few bios stuff - I am not even sure if it has booted and it is just a video issue or a complete crash - but it does not seem to respond to keyboard.
If you press escape at the right moment (as soon as it accesses the drive) you might be able to access the Grub prompt, edit the options passed to the kernel and start the system with all of the boot messages displayed. Alternatively, you could boot a live CD and edit /etc/grub/grub.cfg (assuming that Ubuntu is using Grub 2), and remove the quiet option so that the boot messages are displayed. You really need access to those boot messages at this point. Someone who is familiar with Ubuntu will be able to provide, or give a reference to precise details as to what options you need to change to display boot messages on the console. You could also get to the Grub prompt and try booting into single user mode. In most distributions, this is the second choice in the Grub boot menu.
Quick follow-up: your best option is probably just to edit boot/grub/grub.cfg on the newly installed system after booting from a live CD. Details of what to change are on this page: http://askubuntu.com/questions/248/how-can-i-show-or-hide-boot-messages-when... That page documents changing /etc/default/grub and then running update-grub, but if you're booting from a live CD it would be easier just to edit boot/grub/grub.cfg directly. In otherw words, mount the file system, edit the file, then unmount the file system and reboot from the hard drive to see the messages. If the boot process stops with an error message, then use your favourite Web search engine to find out more about the problem. I am assuming that you know how to use a shell and a text editor. If you don't, then please acquire those basic and esential skills before trying to track down problems with a Linux installation.
Jason White wrote:
dan062 <dan062@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Ubuntu install with no errors using default options.
However when booting off newly installed OS, it just shows a blank white screen after showing a few bios stuff - I am not even sure if it has booted and it is just a video issue or a complete crash - but it does not seem to respond to keyboard.
If you press escape at the right moment (as soon as it accesses the drive) you might be able to access the Grub prompt, edit the options passed to the kernel and start the system with all of the boot messages displayed.
Unfortunately Ubuntu decided that the one second delay to hit Esc was still too slow, so they removed it; instead from 9.10 onwards you must hit shift or alt at exactly the right moment. ...if it were extlinux, you could hit Scroll Lock instead -- because that's a modifier key, you can simply press it down while you're still in the BIOS. Stupid Grub. Stupid Ubuntu.
Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately Ubuntu decided that the one second delay to hit Esc was still too slow, so they removed it; instead from 9.10 onwards you must hit shift or alt at exactly the right moment.
That isn't good for usability. Ubuntu keep making decisions that I don't like, and hence I'm not an Ubuntu user. Recent reports by an Ubuntu maintainer about their development and release process are disturbing; the central claim is that due to the six-month cycle, the quality of releases is declining and there is a strong tendency to include new features before they are complete or reliable.
Jason White wrote:
Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately Ubuntu decided that the one second delay to hit Esc was still too slow, so they removed it; instead from 9.10 onwards you must hit shift or alt at exactly the right moment.
That isn't good for usability.
Ubuntu keep making decisions that I don't like, and hence I'm not an Ubuntu user. Recent reports by an Ubuntu maintainer about their development and release process are disturbing; the central claim is that due to the six-month cycle, the quality of releases is declining and there is a strong tendency to include new features before they are complete or reliable.
Hear, hear. For example, ifupdown 0.7 alpha is apparently in 11.10 so that they can squash all its bugs before the 12.04 LTS release -- but if you're on 11.10, that's just tough. If someone insists on running Ubuntu, especially on a server, I would strongly encourage them to at least stick to LTS releases.
Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear, hear. For example, ifupdown 0.7 alpha is apparently in 11.10 so that they can squash all its bugs before the 12.04 LTS release -- but if you're on 11.10, that's just tough.
http://netsplit.com/2011/09/08/new-ubuntu-release-process/ gives a diagnosis of the problem and proposes (controversial, naturally) solutions.
Ji all, On Tue, 25 Oct 2011, Jason White wrote:
Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hear, hear. For example, ifupdown 0.7 alpha is apparently in 11.10 so that they can squash all its bugs before the 12.04 LTS release -- but if you're on 11.10, that's just tough.
http://netsplit.com/2011/09/08/new-ubuntu-release-process/ gives a diagnosis of the problem and proposes (controversial, naturally) solutions.
An interesting read. But given that Ubuntu is a _distribution_ it is more complicated than that. There is a Linux release cyle, one from Debian, the Ubuntu one and the many things that come with the distro. I found Ubuntu attractive as a "desktop friendly Debian based distribution". Now it is "Debain based" + a lot of stuff I do not like. But to a certain extend I have this problem distribution independent, as a Gnome user I am frustrated with the path it has taken. Unity is "just a different way" of dumbing down the user. Take away features "and make it easy" - well, that's Windows, making the easy things easy and the othewrs very hard. Now it comes to a point where I cannoyt even put a command as an icon in a launcher, with arguments as "rdesktop -g 1024x768 windowsbox". I have to dig deep behind the scene and the enlightened Gnome comitee comes out with statements: "We do not want the user to do that, we concentrate on a desktop that just works out of the box". Throw in some deliberate Linuxisms to make it hard for other Unix developers to port, and you have a perfect "works for me, don't care about others" attitude - well, that's the death sentence for an open source project. Hurray, the next Chasm is coming. Somehow it seems to be too difficult to have a long-term stable acceptable Unix desktop development, and to be honest, a lot of work is forgotten and reinvented again and again. For a moment I am KDE user but at the end I may be happy with a very basic window manager and 9menu. At least that works as expected without too many surprises, since 1994;-) Regards Peter
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