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At the meeting there was a mention of the fact that we now have a legal precedent for film companies to force ISPs to divulge the names of customers who might have torrented movies. Is there any good anonymous peer to peer software? Something that uses tor hidden services for all communications? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 8/04/2015 12:08 AM, Russell Coker wrote:
At the meeting there was a mention of the fact that we now have a legal precedent for film companies to force ISPs to divulge the names of customers who might have torrented movies.
This was bound to catch up with iiNet [and other] users....
Is there any good anonymous peer to peer software? Something that uses tor hidden services for all communications?
Much better to just keep to legal and proper downloads, don't you think? Perhaps now we will get less bandwidth hogging users trying to download the Internet, just because they can and not because it is useful to download zillions of movies. Cheers A.
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 07:51 Andrew McGlashan < andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Much better to just keep to legal and proper downloads, don't you think?
That won't stop companies from trying to claim that the legal torrent download you made was illegal, and they deserve your Name as a result. Have a look at the number of invalid DMCA take down notices being distributed. Also what happens if you believe you are downloading a legal torrent, and when you receive it find it was badly titled and actually a non-distributable file? You could delete it, but the crime (distribution) has already been committed. I have seen Youtube videos deliberately mistitled to try and mislead copyright owners.
On 08/04/15 11:51, Brian May wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 at 07:51 Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au <mailto:andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au>> wrote:
Much better to just keep to legal and proper downloads, don't you think?
That won't stop companies from trying to claim that the legal torrent download you made was illegal, and they deserve your Name as a result.
Have a look at the number of invalid DMCA take down notices being distributed.
This is very true, however the designers of the Tor network highly discourage its use for bittorrent obfuscation, as that places a huge traffic burden on the Tor network. Robert
Also what happens if you believe you are downloading a legal torrent, and when you receive it find it was badly titled and actually a non-distributable file? You could delete it, but the crime (distribution) has already been committed. I have seen Youtube videos deliberately mistitled to try and mislead copyright owners.
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 02:41:21 AM Robert Moonen wrote:
This is very true, however the designers of the Tor network highly discourage its use for bittorrent obfuscation, as that places a huge traffic burden on the Tor network.
My understanding of the tor network is that exit nodes are the bottleneck. You can have legal problems if you run an exit node (a friend had his computers confiscated by the police a couple of years ago because of this). But non-exit relay nodes are less of an issue. If we had a bittorrent type service that used tor hidden service ports then it would only use relay node bandwidth not exit node bandwidth. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 8/04/2015 2:29 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
On Wed, 8 Apr 2015 02:41:21 AM Robert Moonen wrote:
This is very true, however the designers of the Tor network highly discourage its use for bittorrent obfuscation, as that places a huge traffic burden on the Tor network.
My understanding of the tor network is that exit nodes are the bottleneck.
Use Tor for good reasons, not for evil. There are already people talking about Tor as being the dark Internet and wanting to shut it down. Don't give them more ammunition. Tor is essential for personal privacy and in some cases it can be a matter of life or death. Using Tor for bittorrent is very heavily discouraged by those running the Tor network. It is both unsafe and a very bad use of the technology for all sorts of reasons. This is an old post, not sure what is relevant today or not: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea
You can have legal problems if you run an exit node (a friend had his computers confiscated by the police a couple of years ago because of this). But non-exit relay nodes are less of an issue. If we had a bittorrent type service that used tor hidden service ports then it would only use relay node bandwidth not exit node bandwidth.
Yes, you wouldn't wish that on your worst enemy. Be responsible and be fair. Cheers A.
Andrew McGlashan writes:
Use Tor for good reasons, not for evil. There are already people talking about Tor as being the dark Internet and wanting to shut it down. Don't give them more ammunition. Tor is essential for personal privacy and in some cases it can be a matter of life or death.
"Dark", in this context, is not a moral judgement. It means services that aren't listed on or accessible from the "normal" web. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darknet_(overlay_network)
On 9/04/2015 11:44 AM, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Andrew McGlashan writes:
Use Tor for good reasons, not for evil. There are already people talking about Tor as being the dark Internet and wanting to shut it down. Don't give them more ammunition. Tor is essential for personal privacy and in some cases it can be a matter of life or death.
"Dark", in this context, is not a moral judgement. It means services that aren't listed on or accessible from the "normal" web.
It can most certainly mean both. A.
On 08/04/15 00:08, Russell Coker wrote:
Is there any good anonymous peer to peer software? Something that uses tor hidden services for all communications?
Deluge (http://deluge-torrent.org/) can use SOCKS, so presumably it'll work fine with Tor. I've never found Tor to be particularly fast, so I imagine trying to use it to download those totally legal Debian ISOs, whilst maintaining your privacy, would be excruciating.
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