https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px61nvme Hetzner offers servers with 64G of ECC RAM and 2*512G NVMe storage devices for E59 per month. They have an IPv6 /64 and a single IPv4 address (you can rent another 2 for a few Euro per month). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express NVMe is SSD storage directly connected to PCIe to avoid the latency of SATA. https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px61 The same but with 2*4TB SATA disks instead. https://www.linode.com/pricing For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 12/04/16 21:46, Russell Coker via luv-main wrote:
https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px61nvme
Hetzner offers servers with 64G of ECC RAM and 2*512G NVMe storage devices for E59 per month. They have an IPv6 /64 and a single IPv4 address (you can rent another 2 for a few Euro per month).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express
NVMe is SSD storage directly connected to PCIe to avoid the latency of SATA.
https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_rootserver/px61
The same but with 2*4TB SATA disks instead.
https://www.linode.com/pricing
For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month.
Digital Ocean offers VM for $5 per month with 20G storage.
On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:51:33 AM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month.
Digital Ocean offers VM for $5 per month with 20G storage.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6983097 Digital Ocean did a good job of burying the above from Google searches. http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Aug/57 Also there's the above issue. These are things in the past, but AFAIK Linode hasn't had those problems. https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_vserver/cx10 For cheap virtual servers Hetzner has one for E3.90 per month, that is less than the Digital Ocean offering and it has more RAM. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Russell Coker via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> writes:
Also there's the above issue. These are things in the past, but AFAIK Linode hasn't had those problems.
https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_vserver/cx10
For cheap virtual servers Hetzner has one for E3.90 per month, that is less than the Digital Ocean offering and it has more RAM.
Hetzner is not perfect either. e.g. every now and again my VM reboots for no apparent reason, and I see the following in my log files. Sure (probably?) not a security issue, but don't think this should be happening... I didn't push the virtual power key. May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: Power key pressed. May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: Powering Off... May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: System is powering down. -- Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
On Sun, 29 May 2016 01:17:29 PM Brian May via luv-main wrote:
For cheap virtual servers Hetzner has one for E3.90 per month, that is less than the Digital Ocean offering and it has more RAM.
Hetzner is not perfect either.
I've never used Hetzner VMs. I've been using Hetzner servers for years without any serious issues.
e.g. every now and again my VM reboots for no apparent reason, and I see the following in my log files. Sure (probably?) not a security issue, but don't think this should be happening... I didn't push the virtual power key.
May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: Power key pressed. May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: Powering Off... May 27 17:05:36 mirror systemd-logind[597]: System is powering down.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management It is annoying that this happens. The above URL tells you how to change the systemd reaction to the power key press. What happens if you just set it to "ignore"? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> writes:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management
It is annoying that this happens. The above URL tells you how to change the systemd reaction to the power key press. What happens if you just set it to "ignore"?
Seems like this power button event might be a deliberate attempt to reset my VM. I can't see how they could accidently generate a power button event. If so, ignoring the event might cause them to forcibly shutdown the VM... -- Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
On Mon, 30 May 2016, Brian May wrote:
Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> writes:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Power_management
It is annoying that this happens. The above URL tells you how to change the systemd reaction to the power key press. What happens if you just set it to "ignore"?
Seems like this power button event might be a deliberate attempt to reset my VM. I can't see how they could accidently generate a power button event. If so, ignoring the event might cause them to forcibly shutdown the VM...
Erm, it might just be that they want to reboot the host, don't have live migration, and don't have very good change control/notification procedures in place. What did the contract say? -- Tim Connors
Tim Connors <tim.w.connors@gmail.com> writes:
It is annoying that this happens. The above URL tells you how to change the systemd reaction to the power key press. What happens if you just set it to "ignore"?
Seems like this power button event might be a deliberate attempt to reset my VM. I can't see how they could accidently generate a power button event. If so, ignoring the event might cause them to forcibly shutdown the VM...
Erm, it might just be that they want to reboot the host, don't have live migration, and don't have very good change control/notification procedures in place. What did the contract say?
I don't see anything like this in the contract... However could be a good reason for not ignoring the event. -- Brian May <brian@linuxpenguins.xyz> https://linuxpenguins.xyz/brian/
On Mon, 30 May 2016 06:48:34 PM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
I'm not much of an expert on security, I've seen it stated that so system can ever be 100% secure. I just do what I can and use lots of different passwords.
I've done quite a bit of work on Linux Security. While security of hosting companies isn't an area I'm an expert in it is something I know a bit about. Firstly companies with a bad history of security won't improve overnight. The problem with not wiping data was a wake-up call for DO but that won't change things in the short term. Next there needs to be an incentive for doing the right thing. If the C*O level of companies notice that security problems don't hurt them then they have no reason to invest in doing it right. Mess up security and have trouble making sales for 10 years is a good incentive for doing the right thing. On Mon, 30 May 2016 07:08:45 PM Brian May via luv-main wrote:
Seems like this power button event might be a deliberate attempt to reset my VM. I can't see how they could accidently generate a power button event. If so, ignoring the event might cause them to forcibly shutdown the VM...
That's a plausible theory. Maybe you should file a support ticket and ask why they are doing it. For other services Hetzner gives advance notice of planned outages and reports on unplanned outages. On Tue, 31 May 2016 12:40:09 AM Tim Connors via luv-main wrote:
Erm, it might just be that they want to reboot the host, don't have live migration, and don't have very good change control/notification procedures in place. What did the contract say?
Hetzner has excellent notification procedures for their dedicated servers. It could be that they have less for VMs and your suggestion that Brian checks his contract is a good one. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
On 29/05/16 11:52, Russell Coker wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:51:33 AM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month. Digital Ocean offers VM for $5 per month with 20G storage. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6983097
Digital Ocean did a good job of burying the above from Google searches.
http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Aug/57
Also there's the above issue. These are things in the past, but AFAIK Linode hasn't had those problems.
https://www.hetzner.de/gb/hosting/produkte_vserver/cx10
For cheap virtual servers Hetzner has one for E3.90 per month, that is less than the Digital Ocean offering and it has more RAM.
I'm not using this server for anything sensitive at this stage -- just some web programming experiments such as this: http://198.199.72.243/weather-graph/weath.php which you are welcome to use. I may start using the server for remote back up at some stage however. I'm not much of an expert on security, I've seen it stated that so system can ever be 100% secure. I just do what I can and use lots of different passwords. I may try out Hetznet at some stage as they apparently have debian and ubuntu vms. Regards, David
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 06:48:34PM +1000, David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
On 29/05/16 11:52, Russell Coker wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:51:33 AM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month. Digital Ocean offers VM for $5 per month with 20G storage. I'm not using this server for anything sensitive at this stage -- just some web programming experiments such as this:
http://198.199.72.243/weather-graph/weath.php
which you are welcome to use.
I see your weather graph, and raise you another :) http://rjh.org/~rjh/melbourne/ not quite as fancy as yours, but it's been going a couple of decades. I had to laugh when size and layout optimisations made for 28.8k modems also made it easier to be mobile phone friendly. it runs on centos7 with the $5 Digital Ocean plan. I've nothing but good things to say about them. cheers, robin
On 31/05/16 03:17, Robin Humble via luv-main wrote:
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 06:48:34PM +1000, David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
On 29/05/16 11:52, Russell Coker wrote:
On Sun, 29 May 2016 10:51:33 AM David Zuccaro via luv-main wrote:
For cheaper hosting Linode is offering a VM with 1G of RAM and 24G of storage for $US10 per month. Digital Ocean offers VM for $5 per month with 20G storage. I'm not using this server for anything sensitive at this stage -- just some web programming experiments such as this:
http://198.199.72.243/weather-graph/weath.php
which you are welcome to use. I see your weather graph, and raise you another :) http://rjh.org/~rjh/melbourne/
not quite as fancy as yours, but it's been going a couple of decades. I had to laugh when size and layout optimisations made for 28.8k modems also made it easier to be mobile phone friendly.
it runs on centos7 with the $5 Digital Ocean plan. I've nothing but good things to say about them.
Nice work mate. My graph was done with matplotlib (a python library, which is very good), python and php. Currently working on a stock charting page.
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