10 Dec
2014
10 Dec
'14
1:49 p.m.
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It
costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that
Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not
bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's
meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of
the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could
too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and
set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a
significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But
the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7
separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan
to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit
aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open
packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we
were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take
the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
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19 Dec
19 Dec
2:29 p.m.
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
sounds like a good idea to me -
I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get
pulled apart for re-use.
I like the Lego comment.
Mike
I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a
developers group
for programmers etc.
On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It
costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that
Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not
bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's
meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of
the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could
too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and
set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a
significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But
the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7
separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan
to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit
aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open
packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we
were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take
the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
4:07 p.m.
Hi
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide
instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
Cheers
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: luv-main [mailto:luv-main-bounces@luv.asn.au] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:30 PM
To: luv-main(a)luv.asn.au
Subject: Re: building PCs etc
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - sounds like a good idea
to me - I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get
pulled apart for re-use.
I like the Lego comment.
Mike
I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a
developers group for programmers etc.
On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC.
It
costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very
similar to something
that
Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a
day of training
(not
bad for corporate training rates but not cheap
either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's
meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs
of
the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause
and I'm sure others
could
too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn)
can install Linux
and
set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a
significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc.
But
the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC
isn't that great. It's
5-7
separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs
to be 1 part and
CPU+fan
to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the
complexity of a Lego kit
aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open
packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If
we
were going to do an educational PC disassembly event
then I'd be happy to
take
the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs
to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
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20 Dec
20 Dec
9:36 a.m.
Hi there, re raspberry pi - the image is so good these days that it brings
folk back into the plug-and-play category. Raspberry pi s are excellent, i
have two doing stuff for me at home most of the time, but you don't get to
know about fixing issues on more powerful devices i.e. PC s and learning
about computer busses and architecture etc
I have recently downloaded a lot of distros including the suse 13.2 -, see
this afternoon's talk by Terry, and on two PCs it is a pain and when I got
it running on one of my favourites a Dell opti 745, and tried my favourite
packages - it caused grief as the install was incomplete.
My requirements for Linux these days înclude being able to run anjuta and
oracle java and so far xubuntu does it.
Mike
On Friday, 19 December 2014, Karl Terauds <karl(a)cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Hi
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide
instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
Cheers
Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: luv-main [mailto:luv-main-bounces@luv.asn.au <javascript:;>] On
Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:30 PM
To: luv-main(a)luv.asn.au <javascript:;>
Subject: Re: building PCs etc
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - sounds like a good idea
to me - I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get
pulled apart for re-use.
I like the Lego comment.
Mike
I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a
developers group for programmers etc.
On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
--
Mike
Feel free to checkout
http://www.electroteach.com/eca
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC.
It
costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's
very similar to something
that
Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400
for a day of training
(not
bad for corporate training rates but not cheap
either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's
meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free
PCs
of
the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the
cause and I'm sure others
could
too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to
learn) can install Linux
and
set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a
significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc.
But
the amount of learning involved in assembling a
PC isn't that great.
It's
5-7
separate parts for a typical PC if you consider
DIMMs to be 1 part and
CPU+fan
to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the
complexity of a Lego kit
aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open
packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc.
If
we
were going to do an educational PC disassembly
event then I'd be happy to
take
the bits to e-waste and I could donate some
broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
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22 Dec
22 Dec
4:20 p.m.
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, "Karl Terauds" <karl(a)cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a
raspberry pi and provide
instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
If the people are going to pay for machines then maybe. If they are going to
be provided with free machines then using old P4 systems that are lying around
is definitely the way to go.
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My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
23 Dec
23 Dec
7:51 a.m.
I have a couple of P4 machines to donate. Where would they need to be taken.
Rob
On 22/12/14 16:20, Russell Coker wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, "Karl Terauds"
<karl(a)cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee
a raspberry pi and provide
instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
If the people are
going to pay for machines then maybe. If they are going to
be provided with free machines then using old P4 systems that are lying around
is definitely the way to go.
20 Dec
20 Dec
12:40 a.m.
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Regards,
Marcus.
7:05 a.m.
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike
<mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails;
I take it these emails are reporting next to :
*"Why is this message in Spam?* "
something like
"It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filters"
rather than
"You've previously marked messages.from ........... as Spam " ?
regards Rohan McLeod
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of
Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might? 
9:17 a.m.
Hi,
Reverse DNS lookups might be an issue?
From my Gmail SPAM box:
Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by
coker.com.au. You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with
personal information.
BW
On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Rohan McLeod <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> wrote:
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike
<mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails;
I take it these emails are reporting next to :
*"Why is this message in Spam?* "
something like
"It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filters"
rather than
"You've previously marked messages.from ........... as Spam " ?
regards Rohan McLeod
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Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
9:33 a.m.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:17:32 AM Brent Wallis wrote:
Reverse DNS lookups might be an issue?
From my Gmail SPAM box:
Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by
coker.com.au. You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with
personal information.
DKIM results looks a bit odd - the email from Russell has the header:
Authentication-Results: itmustbe.luv.asn.au; dkim=fail
reason="verification failed; insecure key"
header.d=coker.com.au header.i=(a)coker.com.au header.b=aF73C6ft;
dkim-adsp=discard (insecure policy); dkim-atps=neutral
It's also there for some others in this thread (Mike, Marcus, yourself) but
not for others (Karl, Rohan). Presumably some are sending from DKIM using
servers (Gmail is one) and something is up there?
Not sure it's related, but worth checking at least.
cheers,
Chris
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1:31 p.m.
On 19 Dec 2014 20:06, "Rohan McLeod" <rhn(a)jeack.com.au> wrote:
Marcus Furlong wrote:
Yup. I rarely mark messages as spam and wouldn't do it for people or
mailing lists I recognise.
Marcus.
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails;
I take it these emails are reporting next to :
*"Why is this message in Spam?* "
something like
"It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filter"
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might? 
3:05 p.m.
Apologies for top posting but why is this under "building pcs" which
seemed to end days ago. Isn't this "my email thingy is faulty" a
different topic? A different thread?
Sorry about the rant, it just seems strange.
Roger
On 19 Dec 2014 20:06, "Rohan McLeod" <rhn(a)jeack.com.au
<mailto:rhn@jeack.com.au>> wrote:
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails;
I take it these emails are reporting next to :
*"Why is this message in Spam?* "
something like
"It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filter"
Yup. I rarely mark messages as spam and wouldn't do it for people or
mailing lists I recognise.
Marcus.
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Marcus Furlong wrote:
>
> On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269(a)gmail.com
<mailto:mh6269@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might? 
22 Dec
22 Dec
11:18 a.m.
On 20 December 2014 at 00:40, Marcus Furlong <furlongm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike
<mh6269(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, wow, I just looked and found tonnes of messages from Russell in
my spam folder too. Thanks for the heads up, Marcus.
And Russell -- something is going wrong with your outbound mail!
SPF is passing, but DKIM is failing.
Toby
Hi there,
I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder
(gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with
"Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected
how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one
handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
12:12 p.m.
Please send me samples of the messages in question off-list. Also please compress the
files first to reduce the chance of further munging. Thanks.
Nothing has changed in my DKIM setup that should cause this but I put a DMARC entry in my
DNS.
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