http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/ This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either). Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and set the PC up for doing things. The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7 separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit aimed at 5yos. Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause. What do you think? Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - sounds like a good idea to me - I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get pulled apart for re-use. I like the Lego comment. Mike I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a developers group for programmers etc. On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7 separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
Hi Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation? Cheers Karl -----Original Message----- From: luv-main [mailto:luv-main-bounces@luv.asn.au] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:30 PM To: luv-main@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: building PCs etc Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - sounds like a good idea to me - I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get pulled apart for re-use. I like the Lego comment. Mike I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a developers group for programmers etc. On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7 separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
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Hi there, re raspberry pi - the image is so good these days that it brings folk back into the plug-and-play category. Raspberry pi s are excellent, i have two doing stuff for me at home most of the time, but you don't get to know about fixing issues on more powerful devices i.e. PC s and learning about computer busses and architecture etc I have recently downloaded a lot of distros including the suse 13.2 -, see this afternoon's talk by Terry, and on two PCs it is a pain and when I got it running on one of my favourites a Dell opti 745, and tried my favourite packages - it caused grief as the install was incomplete. My requirements for Linux these days înclude being able to run anjuta and oracle java and so far xubuntu does it. Mike On Friday, 19 December 2014, Karl Terauds <karl@cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Hi
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
Cheers Karl
-----Original Message----- From: luv-main [mailto:luv-main-bounces@luv.asn.au <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:30 PM To: luv-main@luv.asn.au <javascript:;> Subject: Re: building PCs etc
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - sounds like a good idea to me - I have access to lots of PCs at the local mens shed where they get pulled apart for re-use.
I like the Lego comment. Mike I am in the process of draughting a note to ctte about re-starting a developers group for programmers etc.
On 10/12/14 13:49, Russell Coker wrote:
http://www.kidsunlimited.com.au/
This company is offering a course for kids to teach them to build a PC. It costs $1250 and they end up with a PC that's very similar to something that Dell sells for $800, so that makes it about $400 for a day of training (not bad for corporate training rates but not cheap either).
Maybe we should offer something vaguely similar at the LUV beginner's meetings. We could make it a BYO hardware event. We could offer free PCs of the P4 vintage (I could donate 2-3 PCs to the cause and I'm sure others could too). Then kids (and anyone else who wants to learn) can install Linux and set the PC up for doing things.
The assembling new hardware bit seems like a bad idea as it involves a significant amount of money and issues with getting paid in advance etc. But the amount of learning involved in assembling a PC isn't that great. It's 5-7 separate parts for a typical PC if you consider DIMMs to be 1 part and CPU+fan to be another. Assembling a PC nowadays has the complexity of a Lego kit aimed at 5yos.
Taking old PCs apart has some educational value as kids can break open packages and look inside them and they can touch pins on the CPUs etc. If we were going to do an educational PC disassembly event then I'd be happy to take the bits to e-waste and I could donate some broken PCs to the cause.
What do you think?
Lev, how does this fit in with what we can do at VPAC?
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On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, "Karl Terauds" <karl@cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation?
If the people are going to pay for machines then maybe. If they are going to be provided with free machines then using old P4 systems that are lying around is definitely the way to go. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
I have a couple of P4 machines to donate. Where would they need to be taken. Rob On 22/12/14 16:20, Russell Coker wrote:
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, "Karl Terauds" <karl@cosmicparrot.com.au> wrote:
Would it not be cheaper to provide each attendee a raspberry pi and provide instruction in the basics of linux installation and operation? If the people are going to pay for machines then maybe. If they are going to be provided with free machines then using old P4 systems that are lying around is definitely the way to go.
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject". Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might? Regards, Marcus.
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why - Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails; I take it these emails are reporting next to : *"Why is this message in Spam?* " something like "It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filters" rather than "You've previously marked messages.from ........... as Spam " ? regards Rohan McLeod
Hi, Reverse DNS lookups might be an issue?
From my Gmail SPAM box:
Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by coker.com.au. You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with personal information. BW On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:05 AM, Rohan McLeod <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote:
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails; I take it these emails are reporting next to : *"Why is this message in Spam?* " something like "It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filters" rather than "You've previously marked messages.from ........... as Spam " ?
regards Rohan McLeod
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On Sat, 20 Dec 2014 09:17:32 AM Brent Wallis wrote:
Reverse DNS lookups might be an issue? From my Gmail SPAM box:
Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by coker.com.au. You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with personal information.
DKIM results looks a bit odd - the email from Russell has the header: Authentication-Results: itmustbe.luv.asn.au; dkim=fail reason="verification failed; insecure key" header.d=coker.com.au header.i=@coker.com.au header.b=aF73C6ft; dkim-adsp=discard (insecure policy); dkim-atps=neutral It's also there for some others in this thread (Mike, Marcus, yourself) but not for others (Karl, Rohan). Presumably some are sending from DKIM using servers (Gmail is one) and something is up there? Not sure it's related, but worth checking at least. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On 19 Dec 2014 20:06, "Rohan McLeod" <rhn@jeack.com.au> wrote:
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails; I take it these emails are reporting next to : *"Why is this message in Spam?* " something like "It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filter"
Yup. I rarely mark messages as spam and wouldn't do it for people or mailing lists I recognise. Marcus.
Apologies for top posting but why is this under "building pcs" which seemed to end days ago. Isn't this "my email thingy is faulty" a different topic? A different thread? Sorry about the rant, it just seems strange. Roger
On 19 Dec 2014 20:06, "Rohan McLeod" <rhn@jeack.com.au <mailto:rhn@jeack.com.au>> wrote:
Marcus Furlong wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com
<mailto:mh6269@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Marcus a stupid question; just checking my gmail spam emails; I take it these emails are reporting next to : *"Why is this message in Spam?* " something like "It's similar to messages that were detected by our Spam filter"
Yup. I rarely mark messages as spam and wouldn't do it for people or mailing lists I recognise.
Marcus.
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On 20 December 2014 at 00:40, Marcus Furlong <furlongm@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 03:29, Mike <mh6269@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I just found this in my SPAM box - don't know why -
Lately, a lot of Russell's email is ending up in my spam folder (gmail) and I consequently have a lot of luv email threads start with "Re: subject".
Russell, have you made any changes recently that might have affected how gmail might categorise your email? Apologies, I don't have one handy to check out the headers, but someone else might?
Yeah, wow, I just looked and found tonnes of messages from Russell in my spam folder too. Thanks for the heads up, Marcus. And Russell -- something is going wrong with your outbound mail! SPF is passing, but DKIM is failing. Toby
Please send me samples of the messages in question off-list. Also please compress the files first to reduce the chance of further munging. Thanks. Nothing has changed in my DKIM setup that should cause this but I put a DMARC entry in my DNS. -- Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with K-9 Mail.
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