Anyone know of a decent local-LAN chat program? I've tried the Bonjour (i.e. avahi) module for pidin but it's just unreliable. I don't know whether it's pidgin that's the problem or whether it's because avahi is more half-arsed Poettering garbage, but I've spent hours fucking around with it on multiple occasions, think i've got it working OK, and then the next time either I or my partner try to use it to send notes to each other, it just doesn't fucking work. I suspect, but am not sure, that either pidgin or avahi gets confused because all machines on my LAN have multiple addresses on different subnets - this is too useful for VMs and docker images and other stuff to even consider changing just for a chat program. If I had to, I could set up an irc or xmpp server or something but that seems like overkill for this. So, can anyone recommend a no-frills, no-fuss LAN chat that just works? Even tips on making pidgin + bonjour work reliably would be great. Preferably something better than the ancient ytalk. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
Il 31 ottobre 2018 07:27:38 CET, Craig Sanders via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> ha scritto:
Anyone know of a decent local-LAN chat program?
Ad far as I know XMPP is the more mature protocol around. I don't know any specific name, but I suppose there are several open source server available. -- Mick
HI Craig, Potentially i have miss interpreted your question but we are currently looking into Rocket Chat...... Essentially host your own Slack. https://rocket.chat/ The bundles are super easy to deploy and you can have win/linux/mac/android/IOS clients. NIck On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 18:39, Mick via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
Il 31 ottobre 2018 07:27:38 CET, Craig Sanders via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> ha scritto:
Anyone know of a decent local-LAN chat program?
Ad far as I know XMPP is the more mature protocol around. I don't know any specific name, but I suppose there are several open source server available.
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***** Actually replying to the list this time ******** HI Craig, Potentially i have miss interpreted your question but we are currently looking into Rocket Chat...... Essentially host your own Slack. https://rocket.chat/ The bundles (server/client) are super easy to deploy and you can have win/linux/mac/android/IOS clients. NIck On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 at 17:27, Craig Sanders via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
Anyone know of a decent local-LAN chat program?
I've tried the Bonjour (i.e. avahi) module for pidin but it's just unreliable.
I don't know whether it's pidgin that's the problem or whether it's because avahi is more half-arsed Poettering garbage, but I've spent hours fucking around with it on multiple occasions, think i've got it working OK, and then the next time either I or my partner try to use it to send notes to each other, it just doesn't fucking work.
I suspect, but am not sure, that either pidgin or avahi gets confused because all machines on my LAN have multiple addresses on different subnets - this is too useful for VMs and docker images and other stuff to even consider changing just for a chat program.
If I had to, I could set up an irc or xmpp server or something but that seems like overkill for this.
So, can anyone recommend a no-frills, no-fuss LAN chat that just works? Even tips on making pidgin + bonjour work reliably would be great.
Preferably something better than the ancient ytalk.
craig
-- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au> _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 11:09:36PM +1100, Nick Evans wrote:
Potentially i have miss interpreted your question but we are currently looking into Rocket Chat......
looks like even more of an overkill than running ircd or something. really, all i want is something simple for me and my partner to pass quick notes to each other occasionally (probably not even a few times per month)...mostly notes that aren't worth even the bother of spending 30 seconds sending a quick email. pidgin's bonjour plugin would be more than adequate if it was reliable - minimal configuration, no server required. chat peers just find each other on the LAN. when it works, it's good. the trouble is that it often loses the ability to see or communicate with other clients. can usually be resolved by restarting both clients, but having to yell out "hey restart pidgin, i want to send you something" defeats the purpose of not wanting to yell out or interrupt my partner when she's busy.
Essentially host your own Slack.
this isn't a selling point for me. slack seems to only have a purpose if you pretend that things like irc and xmpp and email don't exist. just one more "cool" reinvention of the wheel with obligatory tie-ins to yet another corporate overlord, another great opportunity to turn myself into a product. and fuck yeah, why not do it with nodejs or some other security-nightmare dependency on untrustworthy code repositories?
The bundles (server/client) are super easy to deploy and you can have win/linux/mac/android/IOS clients.
seems like a lot more work than just running ircd or jabberd. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
On 02.11.18 02:21, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 11:09:36PM +1100, Nick Evans wrote:
Potentially i have miss interpreted your question but we are currently looking into Rocket Chat......
looks like even more of an overkill than running ircd or something.
really, all i want is something simple for me and my partner to pass quick notes to each other occasionally (probably not even a few times per month)...mostly notes that aren't worth even the bother of spending 30 seconds sending a quick email.
While not seeing anything in the wall manpage indicating that the message reaches other hosts on the network, there's also the traditional: talk - Chat with another user talkd - Remote user communication server or utalk - talk-like program with additional features xtalk - BSD talk compatible X Window System client ytalk - enhanced talk program and a "write" variant: nwrite - Enhanced replacement for the write command Can't say which would suit best. Erik
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 11/1/2018 8:21 AM, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
On Thu, Nov 01, 2018 at 11:09:36PM +1100, Nick Evans wrote:
Potentially i have miss interpreted your question but we are currently looking into Rocket Chat......
looks like even more of an overkill than running ircd or something.
really, all i want is something simple for me and my partner to pass quick notes to each other occasionally (probably not even a few times per month)...mostly notes that aren't worth even the bother of spending 30 seconds sending a quick email.
I don't see the big fuss, personally. It's already on your boxes, unless you're running something like ewboontew, and then I'm sure it's an apt away in any case. talk <user@hostname> No need to get fancy or reinvent the wheel, it's still relevant and reliable. One thing you WILL need to do is open up UDP port 517 between both machines. You may also wish to create a friendly entry into your /etc/hosts. Erik had also mentioned some others, but all UNIX machines since 4.2BSD have talk. I wouldn't use wall - the only messages people send out to everyone anyway is sent with 'shutdown -r now Going down, Mr. Tyler?' - -- Bradley D. Thornton Manager Network Services http://NorthTech.US TEL: +1.310.421.8268 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Find this cert at hkps://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - https://www.enigmail.net/ iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEENWT7St9Eg6sLyiLAuIw5wQytyEkFAlvdFuIACgkQuIw5wQyt yEmb4Af+OIpRL75zB5+d3EdxcjXdql9YQVeHXGXKa+KCjyQo2YRiQgPv1aVz13Gq UUH03qiHr3k/E0b8J+K3bE7HSvypP/mHkZY1i19IfbXEVy2IV5AxHbMvWF/TQ/Zf ipWiYxVSp8uLHiilpT+jlN4EqjlN5bsVzkBhtQyWFNaVxe1JAjFH6mwPHTVPoEil cobYokutAG5gUFljwlvx55JB6/YTc6GFu573R9LfidPZxFrTzSChNr9W0mwERct6 QKAyKg1Ia77I3rrit9hccjYHXHFNjXuVieUI1/Zxj9bOB8WemLPVkSRSUW/IOK+F lsiKx9bYKabLCpyIYGuvt3A6b+LTDQ== =yuiQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Hello Craig, On 10/31/18, Craig Sanders via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
Anyone know of a decent local-LAN chat program?
I have been watching the various responses, and it looks "challenging", which is not what you want. What happens if you each have logins on the boxes the other is using and use the older Unix wall command. But then, will that get through with a GUI? Suggesting very basic, and very simple. Another thought, if you already have an internal web server, can it push items out to your partner? The one trouble would be notification, but you may know ways around that. Getting what you want working will take more than a little implementation, but like all good sysadmin efforts, will provide ongoing ease of function when done right. Regards, Mark Trickett
I've tried the Bonjour (i.e. avahi) module for pidin but it's just unreliable.
I don't know whether it's pidgin that's the problem or whether it's because avahi is more half-arsed Poettering garbage, but I've spent hours fucking around with it on multiple occasions, think i've got it working OK, and then the next time either I or my partner try to use it to send notes to each other, it just doesn't fucking work.
I suspect, but am not sure, that either pidgin or avahi gets confused because all machines on my LAN have multiple addresses on different subnets - this is too useful for VMs and docker images and other stuff to even consider changing just for a chat program.
If I had to, I could set up an irc or xmpp server or something but that seems like overkill for this.
So, can anyone recommend a no-frills, no-fuss LAN chat that just works? Even tips on making pidgin + bonjour work reliably would be great.
Preferably something better than the ancient ytalk.
craig
-- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au> _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
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