Re: [luv-beginners] linux noob - install problems, installfests?
Hi Justin, Are you able to bring just your desktop to our Linux Beginners Workshop this coming Sat 20 June? The address is: VPAC 110 Victoria St, Carlton South VIC 3053. Quite a number of us will be there, and can have a closer look at your SSD and troubleshooting. Would like to help. Wen On Jun 14, 2015 11:10 PM, "Justin Fisher" <justinlewisfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wen,
I'm still no further along with this install. I have tried again today with the KXstudio live disc, and for whatever reason the ssd is now no longer being recognized from the live disc and from Win7. The instructions listed in the links you sent I had pretty much already followed as I had used this guide http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on... . I checked my bios and made sure i selected ahci where it was applicable but this did not fix anything. I have to say i am out of ideas (and motivation) here and will need some help if you are able to spare some time. Many thanks.
Justin
On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Wen Lin wrote:
One key point: *BIOS and UEFI: set it to AHCI*
Unless you're dual-booting, *always* set your SATA controllers to AHCI. The options "legacy", "hybrid" and "PATA" are worse choices for Linux.
Erratum: current hardware seems to add NVMe, which appears to be better? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVMe_vs_AHCI
using the parameter 'noatime'.
The default should be relatime (check /proc/mounts), which should be near enough.
Changing it to noatime will break a handful of programs, but you probably don't use them anyway.
On Jun 14, 2015 11:10 PM, "Justin Fisher" <justinlewisfisher@gmail.com <mailto:justinlewisfisher@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm still no further along with this install. I have tried again today with the KXstudio live disc, and for whatever reason the ssd is now no longer being recognized from the live disc and from Win7. The instructions listed in the links you sent I had pretty much already followed as I had used this guide http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on... On 16/06/15 06:19, Wen Lin wrote:> Are you able to bring just your desktop to our Linux Beginners Workshop this coming Sat 20 June? The address is: VPAC 110 Victoria St, Carlton South VIC 3053. Quite a number of us will be there, and can have a closer look at your SSD and troubleshooting.
Just an update on where things got to with Justin's install: He has an SSD (with a Windows install) and 2 hard drives (data only). He wanted to add a second SSD with a KXStudio (Ubuntu 14.04 based) install, and end up with a dual boot system. For some reason the distro wouldn't install with the new SSD on the fourth SATA port (failed during partitioning), but after removing the other disks and putting the new SSD on the second SATA port, it installed fine. Incidentally the BIOS wouldn't allow it to be added to the boot list until the distro was installed (presumably a secure boot feature). We decided to put grub on the Linux drive so that the Windows drive would still have the original boot even if used alone or moved to another machine. What works: the BIOS can boot to either operating system, with that SSD alone; also, with both SSD drives in place, it can boot to Linux. What doesn't work: (1) with both SSD drives in place (Windows on the first SATA port), an attempt to BIOS boot to Windows appears to start the Windows boot ("Windows is loading files"), but then the system boots from the other (Linux drive); (2) also, update-grub on the Linux side does not find the Windows system. We ran out of time to try adding the chainload entry in grub.cfg by hand. The Windows drive is GPT partitioned, and the Linux drive is MBR partitioned, perhaps that is part of the problem? Glenn -- sks-keyservers.net 0x6d656d65
On 21/06/15 00:06, Glenn McIntosh wrote:
The Windows drive is GPT partitioned, and the Linux drive is MBR partitioned, perhaps that is part of the problem?
(replying to self here!) More info on chainloading to UEFI-GPT: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting#Chainloading_Windows_x86_64_UE... https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#Windows_installed_in_UEFI-GPT_Mode... Glenn -- sks-keyservers.net 0x6d656d65
Glenn McIntosh writes:
For some reason the distro wouldn't install with the new SSD on the fourth SATA port (failed during partitioning), but after removing the other disks and putting the new SSD on the second SATA port, it installed fine.
Double-check that the BIOS is using AHCI or NVMe, not "legacy" or "hybrid" mode.
What doesn't work: (1) with both SSD drives in place (Windows on the first SATA port), an attempt to BIOS boot to Windows appears to start the Windows boot ("Windows is loading files"), but then the system boots from the other (Linux drive); (2) also, update-grub on the Linux side does not find the Windows system. We ran out of time to try adding the chainload entry in grub.cfg by hand.
grub doesn't actually do the finding; that is carried out by a package called os-prober, which hooks itself into grub2's install/update scripts. Double-check that os-prober is installed.
Thanks Glen for your great help last Sat, and also Daniel's, in finally figuring out what exactly happened to Justin PC's failure to partition the SSD for his Linux distro. Your explanation here in luv main list in clear technical details on the whole issue is certainly of great value to anyone who encounter similar issue in future! I'm sure this tricky problem will be solved on or before our next LUV Beginners Workshop. Cheers, Wen On Jun 21, 2015 12:07 AM, "Glenn McIntosh" <neonsignal@meme.net.au> wrote:
On Jun 14, 2015 11:10 PM, "Justin Fisher" <justinlewisfisher@gmail.com <mailto:justinlewisfisher@gmail.com>> wrote: I'm still no further along with this install. I have tried again today with the KXstudio live disc, and for whatever reason the ssd is now no longer being recognized from the live disc and from Win7. The instructions listed in the links you sent I had pretty much already followed as I had used this guide
http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2012/07/23/dual-boot-ubuntu-12-04-and-windows-7-on... On 16/06/15 06:19, Wen Lin wrote:> Are you able to bring just your desktop to our Linux Beginners Workshop
this coming Sat 20 June? The address is: VPAC 110 Victoria St, Carlton South VIC 3053. Quite a number of us will be there, and can have a closer look at your SSD and troubleshooting.
Just an update on where things got to with Justin's install:
He has an SSD (with a Windows install) and 2 hard drives (data only). He wanted to add a second SSD with a KXStudio (Ubuntu 14.04 based) install, and end up with a dual boot system.
For some reason the distro wouldn't install with the new SSD on the fourth SATA port (failed during partitioning), but after removing the other disks and putting the new SSD on the second SATA port, it installed fine. Incidentally the BIOS wouldn't allow it to be added to the boot list until the distro was installed (presumably a secure boot feature). We decided to put grub on the Linux drive so that the Windows drive would still have the original boot even if used alone or moved to another machine.
What works: the BIOS can boot to either operating system, with that SSD alone; also, with both SSD drives in place, it can boot to Linux.
What doesn't work: (1) with both SSD drives in place (Windows on the first SATA port), an attempt to BIOS boot to Windows appears to start the Windows boot ("Windows is loading files"), but then the system boots from the other (Linux drive); (2) also, update-grub on the Linux side does not find the Windows system. We ran out of time to try adding the chainload entry in grub.cfg by hand.
The Windows drive is GPT partitioned, and the Linux drive is MBR partitioned, perhaps that is part of the problem?
Glenn -- sks-keyservers.net 0x6d656d65
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