Re: [MLUG] What a fight ! The spectacular side of systemd :-)
From: "Trent W. Buck" <trentbuck@gmail.com>
Andrew McGlashan writes:
For Debian people, an easier migration path that seems very viable today will be kFreeBSD
"We remain gravely concerned about the viability of this port. [...] the port is in danger of being dropped from Jessie, and [we] invite any porters who are able to commit to working on the port in the long term to make themselves known *now*."
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/09/msg00002.html
I have not used Debian kFreeBSD. A few questions: "Despite the reduced scope" (quoting from above) What does that mean? Actually, how much of the FreeBSD userland is used in Debian? Secondly: I always considered it a bit of "academic value". Do you have "real world examples" of Debian kFreeBSD? Regards Peter
"Peter Ross" writes:
"Despite the reduced scope" (quoting from above) What does that mean?
I don't know the context, sorry. Presumably that's documented further back on the d-d-a or kfbsd MLs.
Actually, how much of the FreeBSD userland is used in Debian?
Um, none? It's Debian GNU/*k*FreeBSD, so I assume the userland matches the stock Debian GNU/Linux's as much as possible.
Do you have "real world examples" of Debian kFreeBSD?
Last time I tried it (before wheezy was released), it was still using the fBSD installer, which was mostly broken in that build.
On 13/10/2014 2:42 PM, Peter Ross wrote:
A few questions:
"Despite the reduced scope" (quoting from above)
What does that mean? Actually, how much of the FreeBSD userland is used in Debian?
As I understand, it is Debian userland with a FreeBSD kernel. Some things compiled with GCC and other things with clang, but with more than 90% compiled packages as of the email from Steven.
Secondly: I always considered it a bit of "academic value". Do you have "real world examples" of Debian kFreeBSD?
That email from Steven sheds much more light than I can shed on the matter. I did boot up kFreeBSD when it first arrived and was astounded at how quickly it boot to login prompt at the time; but I didn't do much more with it because it was then far from ready for production use, it was more a "technology preview". However, it certainly looks like it is ready for production use now, or it will be when the Jessie version hits the masses. A.
"Peter Ross" <Petros.Listig@fdrive.com.au> writes:
How much of the FreeBSD userland is used in Debian?
I looked into this. Comparing binary package lists in amd64 vs. kfreebsd-amd64 as at jessie: 42152 total; 2987 (7%) only in amd64; and 76 only in kfreebsd-amd64. The last is short, so here it is; it also shows how to get the others. Hope this is useful to someone! :-) $ curl -sLSf http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.xz | xzgrep -F Package: | sed -n s/^Package:.//p | sort >amd64 $ curl -sLSf http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/jessie/main/binary-kfreebsd-amd64/Packag... | xzgrep -F Package: | sed -n s/^Package:.//p | sort >kfreebsd-amd64 $ comm -13 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 | <yukky formatting magic> cuse4bsd-dkms libdevstat7 devd libgeom-dev freebsd-net-tools libgeom1 freebsd-nfs-common libgio-fam freebsd-nfs-server libhidapi0 freebsd-ppp libhidapi0-dbg freebsd-quota libhsqldb1.8.0-java-gcj freebsd-smbfs libinotify-dev freebsd-utils libinotify0 fuse4bsd libjail-dev fuse4bsd-dkms libjail1 geom libkiconv-dev k8temp libkiconv4 kbdcontrol libkvm-dev kfreebsd-headers-10-amd64 libkvm6 kfreebsd-headers-10.0-1 libmemstat-dev kfreebsd-headers-10.0-1-amd64 libmemstat3 kfreebsd-headers-9-amd64 libnetgraph-dev kfreebsd-headers-9.2-1 libnetgraph4 kfreebsd-headers-9.2-1-amd64 libnvpair1 kfreebsd-headers-amd64 liboss4-salsa-dev kfreebsd-kernel-headers libumem1 kldutils libusb2-dev ktrace libusb3 libalias-dev libusbhid-dev libalias7 libusbhid4debian libc0.1 libuutil1 libc0.1-dbg libzfs1 libc0.1-dev libzpool1 libc0.1-dev-i386 mkuzip libc0.1-i386 mlton-runtime-x86-64-kfreebsd-gnu libc0.1-pic openbgpd libc0.1-prof pf libcam-dev powerd libcam6 ufsutils libcuse4bsd-dev vidcontrol libcuse4bsd1 yforth libdevstat-dev zfsutils
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