I think it would be good if someone organised a kickstarter to pay people to make Debian work without systemd. If it turns out that equivalent packages for some tasks can't be included in Debian then they could be hosted on an external site. Alternately if there are enough programmers who want to make this happen then they could just start work on it. There's been a lot of talk about people wanting to donate money etc. Kickstarter is good for that, if there are enough people donating then it can be done. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/