On 8/30/20, Craig Sanders via luv-main <luv-main(a)luv.asn.au> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 05:24:39PM +1000, Mark
I did not choose Wayland, nor systemd, but that
is now the Debian
defaults. There are good reasons behind the changes, or at least I have
some support that I will concur with on why Wayland over xwindows. However
I do not find benefit in systemd,
most of my machines run systemd now. all but one, which just fails to boot
all if i try to boot it with systemd rather than sysvinit. I'm not entirely
happy with that but i've given up fighting against it, i just don't have
energy for that.
I don't actually mind systemd as an init system, i.e. starting and stopping
services - it's pretty good at that. it's all the other stuff (like ntp and
dns and cron) that it tries to do that pisses me off, especially since it
such a shitty job of them.
I just disable as much of that systemd borg shit as I can and run the
services as extra daemons, like ntpd for ntp and unbound for dns resolution
(I still use bind9 on a different IP address for serving my zones) and
the current install (Debian 10.5) is missing a
piece of firmware, but I
cannot read the message in time during boot, nor find it in the logs. I
think it is for the network on the motherboard.
try something like 'journalctl -xe -b0', or 'dmesg | less'. You may be
able to find the message you want by searching through that.
I tried looking through dmesg, but could not find any of the first
screen before the splash screen and login. The original Unix design
was well considered. I regard systemd as a Microsoftian Borg
intrusion. There are other distros based on Debian that go back to the
older init systems. I do not mind a slightly slower boot when it makes
the system more stable and maintainable.
reading of pages found by a google search, there is a choice by
development team based on (in)security of casual copy and paste. I
that it was likely a configuration issue, but cannot find. I tried a
of teminals, but not a lot, to find one that appears to be reasonable. I
still need to do more research, when life leaves the time from the real
that would be kind of fucked up if they've disabled copy-paste into
or text editors entirely. so fucked up that that i can't believe anyone
do that deliberately...there has to be some way to do it, or some way to
off-by-default is merely annoying, but no big deal. off-forever would be
I think it may be possible to copy and paste between GUI editors and
other windows, but not the terminal. As I said, there is a discussion
that I found about the different text buffers, and security issues and
how many and how they are implemented. It looks to me like they have
thought about these issues, but not fully thought things through. They
do have cogent arguments about security and the like, but again, I
consider that they are still half assed. I would like both the sysV
init and xwindows back, even if I have to make a change after the
primary install. Making it this difficult is a black mark on the
Debian development community. I can understand, and even sympathise
that it is a lot of work, maybe too much, to keep the older stuff
available, but I strongly disagree with the making it so unpleasantly
difficult. That may partially be due to moving things in and out of
the kernel, but it is also too much "feature creep" by the likes of
systemd. As to Wayland, again I would like to see more of the
discussion as to why to totally scrap the older xwindows.
I cannot make
sense of a line of perl at this time,
perl's really not that hard. if you have some basic scripting capability
(or an ability to understand algorithms and flow control), and some passing
familiarity with shell scripts or sed or awk, then perl is easy.
it's nowhere near as difficult as some people like to make out. and
some perl is at least as useful as learning sh and sed and awk put
just ignore all the dickheads who say bullshit like "perl is write-only" or
that it "looks like line-noise". they have no idea what they're talking
- at best, they're just scared of the sight of regexps as operators -
the wild regexp, cage it in a function call or it'll get you.
I want to learn, but meatspace is taking me away too much. I am now 65
and looking to working less, eventually. The people I do Traffic
Control keep looking for more staff, but it is difficult. I have
proven to be reasonably reliable while the younger ones come and go,
some voluntarily, some just stupid and drugs. I have a bit of super,
but not enough that I can sit back and scratch the itch to learn. I
also need to keep practicing to maintain what I learn.
but there are
some folks I will trust, such as you and Russel Coker. I do
not expect you to be perfect, but that you do know more than I, and from
what I have seen, not malicious. I do try to comprehend even your
first, but have to trust that you do know that much more in the subject
oh. I didn't mean me. you can trust anything i say, i'm perfect and
never make a mistake.
btw, i have a nice bridge i'd like to sell you cheap.
Again, anyone can make a mistake, some are a mistake.