[luv-main] OT Python
My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes. The school laptops are fixed on windows 7 (no flames please she has no choice, the students all use linux but the school will not). She wants to teach her students to use a GUI developer like Glade but has not found a way to install into her school laptop. Also it seems that gtk and glade are reliant on python 2.6 and 2.7 Does anyone know of modern tutorials that she can use to install this or if not has anyone solved the install problems. Help appreciated thanks Roger
On 27/09/11 10:42, Roger wrote:
My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes. The school laptops are fixed on windows 7 (no flames please she has no choice, the students all use linux but the school will not). She wants to teach her students to use a GUI developer like Glade but has not found a way to install into her school laptop. Also it seems that gtk and glade are reliant on python 2.6 and 2.7 Does anyone know of modern tutorials that she can use to install this or if not has anyone solved the install problems. Help appreciated thanks Roger
She says that python will not import gtk says there is no module...
On 27 September 2011 10:43, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:
She says that python will not import gtk says there is no module...
In theory it should be possible to install extra modules in a non-standard directory and set PYTHONPATH environment variable (and maybe PATH if there are *.dll files) to point to this directory. It wouldn't surprise me if this is easier said then done however, especially for modules that are a mix of C + python (I assume this is the case for gtk). Unless the installer of the binary module somehow lets you install it in any directory you choose. Even if it is possible, if it is too complicated, may not be a good way of introducing new comers to python. I don't have a windows box, let alone a school restricted laptop, to test this on. -- Brian May <brian@microcomaustralia.com.au>
Roger wrote:
My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes. The school laptops are fixed on windows 7 (no flames please she has no choice, the students all use linux but the school will not). She wants to teach her students to use a GUI developer like Glade but has not found a way to install into her school laptop. Also it seems that gtk and glade are reliant on python 2.6 and 2.7 Does anyone know of modern tutorials that she can use to install this or if not has anyone solved the install problems.
Use HTML forms instead of GTK? That is, Python binds to a high port, browser makes a request, Python serves HTML, browser takes care of the rendering.
Roger, As an aside, is VirtualBox (or similar) an option for running Linux under Windows 7 ? HTH Andrew At 11:37 AM 27/09/2011, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Roger wrote:
My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes. The school laptops are fixed on windows 7 (no flames please she has no choice, the students all use linux but the school will not). She wants to teach her students to use a GUI developer like Glade but has not found a way to install into her school laptop. Also it seems that gtk and glade are reliant on python 2.6 and 2.7 Does anyone know of modern tutorials that she can use to install this or if not has anyone solved the install problems.
Use HTML forms instead of GTK?
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<snip>My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes.</snip> As an aside, is VirtualBox (or similar) an option for running Linux under Windows 7 ? HTH Andrew Thanks Andrew Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to only what Acer permits on the computers. Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted. she is pushing the limits of th IT department by installing Tk. Roger
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:47:37 +1000 Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:
<snip>My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes.</snip>
As an aside, is VirtualBox (or similar) an option for running Linux under Windows 7 ?
HTH Andrew
Thanks Andrew Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to only what Acer permits on the computers. Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted. she is pushing the limits of th IT department by installing Tk. Roger
May be a way around this. Install VirtualBox and the VM file on a portable USB drive. This will only appear as a drive on the laptop. VirtualBox is a Windows app. And the VM is not on the computer in that case. That may satisfy the "ignorants". Surely they are not locking out external drives! I would also like you (or daughter) to expand on this "Other than windows apps not permitted by Acer" - Is this what it is or you are just simplifying here? Daniel.
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My proprietary rage level is rising.....
Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to only what Acer permits on the computers. Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted.
I second Daniels comments;
May be a way around this. Install VirtualBox and the VM file on a portable USB drive. This will only appear as a drive on the laptop. VirtualBox is a Windows app. And the VM is not on the computer in that case. That may satisfy the "ignorants". Surely they are not locking out external drives!
Why not run linux through a USB or some such equivalent. It will circumvent the contract conditions and provides a broader platform to use FOSS applications. With out knowing to many of the details A: Students may already have a large enough USB device or can get there hands on one for relatively cheap or B: Can organise to purchase some for the class C: There are a huge range of linux distros for USB see www.pendrivelinux.com There would be a fair amount of work to organise, implement this for a group of class of '20' students, but the payoff is greater freedom. Regards Liam On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Daniel Jitnah <djitnah@greenwareit.com.au>wrote:
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:47:37 +1000
Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:
<snip>My daughter teaches python 3 in her software development classes.</snip>
As an aside, is VirtualBox (or similar) an option for running Linux under Windows 7 ?
HTH Andrew
Thanks Andrew Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to only what Acer permits on the computers. Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted. she is pushing the limits of th IT department by installing Tk. Roger
May be a way around this. Install VirtualBox and the VM file on a portable USB drive. This will only appear as a drive on the laptop. VirtualBox is a Windows app. And the VM is not on the computer in that case. That may satisfy the "ignorants". Surely they are not locking out external drives!
I would also like you (or daughter) to expand on this "Other than windows apps not permitted by Acer" - Is this what it is or you are just simplifying here?
Daniel.
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On 28/09/11 11:48, Liam McCallum wrote:
My proprietary rage level is rising.....
> Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to > only what Acer permits on the computers. > Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted.
I second Daniels comments;
> May be a way around this. Install VirtualBox and the VM file on a portable USB drive. This will only appear > as a drive on the laptop. VirtualBox is a Windows app. And the VM is not on the computer in that case. That > may satisfy the "ignorants". Surely they are not locking out external drives!
Why not run linux through a USB or some such equivalent. It will circumvent the contract conditions and provides a broader platform to use FOSS applications. With out knowing to many of the details
A: Students may already have a large enough USB device or can get there hands on one for relatively cheap or B: Can organise to purchase some for the class C: There are a huge range of linux distros for USB see www.pendrivelinux.com <http://www.pendrivelinux.com/>
There would be a fair amount of work to organise, implement this for a group of class of '20' students, but the payoff is greater freedom. Regards Liam
Students would and do happily use pure linux at home but -- 'school says No' They are not permitted to use their own computers or usb sticks and virtualbox is bigNO. Surveillance monitors the computers. Hence the question originally posed. Thanks anyway Roger
On 28/09/11 12:44, Roger wrote:
On 28/09/11 11:48, Liam McCallum wrote:
My proprietary rage level is rising.....
> Unfortunately due to the supply contract the school is locked down to > only what Acer permits on the computers. > Installing anything other than windows apps is not permitted.
I second Daniels comments;
> May be a way around this. Install VirtualBox and the VM file on a portable USB drive. This will only appear > as a drive on the laptop. VirtualBox is a Windows app. And the VM is not on the computer in that case. That > may satisfy the "ignorants". Surely they are not locking out external drives!
Why not run linux through a USB or some such equivalent. It will circumvent the contract conditions and provides a broader platform to use FOSS applications. With out knowing to many of the details
A: Students may already have a large enough USB device or can get there hands on one for relatively cheap or B: Can organise to purchase some for the class C: There are a huge range of linux distros for USB see www.pendrivelinux.com <http://www.pendrivelinux.com/>
There would be a fair amount of work to organise, implement this for a group of class of '20' students, but the payoff is greater freedom.
Regards
Liam
Students would and do happily use pure linux at home but -- 'school says No' They are not permitted to use their own computers or usb sticks and virtualbox is bigNO. Surveillance monitors the computers.
I do think there are some serious educational and padagogical issues. Consider this scenario: As a School Teacher and with due professional ethical consideration, I consider that it is in the best interest of the students that they learn about Operating Systems at a very basic level in tune with the level they are at in their studies . And the best way for that to happen is for students to be able to come to experience and compare a variety of Operating Systems: Windows 9X, Windows XP, Win 7, BSD, Linux, BeOS, OpenSolaris in a safe environment. And therefore providing access to these OS's in a VM environment is a viable option, economically and technically. If this is put forward for its educational merits to the School Council and School Administration, what School Principal could possibly object to that, with equally due professional ethics and as someone who has the best interest of students in mind? and if so, could he or she please explain his/her reasons for objections to a purely padagogical exercise? And what parent could possibly prefer to see his/her child NOT be able to learn about something new? The point I make is that this issue may have to be shifted to an educational one forefront instead of being bogged down on software technical and OS platform issues. Daniel.
Hence the question originally posed. Thanks anyway Roger
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On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Roger <arelem@bigpond.com> wrote:
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Students would and do happily use pure linux at home but -- 'school says No' They are not permitted to use their own computers or usb sticks and virtualbox is bigNO. Surveillance monitors the computers. Hence the question originally posed. Thanks anyway Roger
I have seen this at both of my sons high schools (they attend different schools) they are not allowed to run *nix even off an external drive at school as they "may" circumvent the schools security, and the techs they employ seem to know very little about correctly setting up network security. (the proxy is set in Mozilla settings for example a knowledgeable student can circumvent this anyway)
I don't know about the metro area but here in the country one HS has 250-300 students and my other sons HS has apx 1200 students. The schools only have a real tech once a week and the rest of the time routine admin stuff (adding accounts resetting passwords etc) is handled by teachers .
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