I've been collecting hardware for Wooranna Park Primary (which runs a Coder Dojo as described in a LUV lecture last year). They are after things that the kids can fix up and learn from. PCs and Laptops that they can install Linux on and random hardware they can play with. If you have stuff that may be suitable and can bring it to a LUV meeting let me know off list. -- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program... https://www.one-education.org/ (I know one of the folks working there) On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Russell Coker via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
I've been collecting hardware for Wooranna Park Primary (which runs a Coder Dojo as described in a LUV lecture last year). They are after things that the kids can fix up and learn from. PCs and Laptops that they can install Linux on and random hardware they can play with.
If you have stuff that may be suitable and can bring it to a LUV meeting let me know off list. -- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
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On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux? Cheers, Andrew
the answer to the question "is it possible to install Linux" is always yes... however.... I shall ask. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Andrew Pam <andrew@sericyb.com.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
That was quick. target OS's are Win 10, linux and chromium. no details yet. still in development. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Paul van den Bergen < paul.vandenbergen@gmail.com> wrote:
the answer to the question "is it possible to install Linux" is always yes...
however....
I shall ask.
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:07 AM, Andrew Pam <andrew@sericyb.com.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:09:26AM +1000, Paul van den Bergen wrote:
the answer to the question "is it possible to install Linux" is always yes...
i wouldn't be so sure about that. The "SecureBoot" spec for tablets, laptops etc with ARM CPUs doesn't allow installation of custom keys, and doesn't allow the owner to disable it. Some suspect that's a trial run for what MS-NSA-RIAA intends to require of x86 PC & Motherboard manufacturers in the not-too-distant future. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>
sad but potentially true - but then, I can't see oracle, google, vmware, cisco or anyone else using unix variants to agree to that.... On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Craig Sanders via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:09:26AM +1000, Paul van den Bergen wrote:
the answer to the question "is it possible to install Linux" is always yes...
i wouldn't be so sure about that.
The "SecureBoot" spec for tablets, laptops etc with ARM CPUs doesn't allow installation of custom keys, and doesn't allow the owner to disable it.
Some suspect that's a trial run for what MS-NSA-RIAA intends to require of x86 PC & Motherboard manufacturers in the not-too-distant future.
craig
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On 24/08/2016 4:04 PM, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:09:26AM +1000, Paul van den Bergen wrote:
the answer to the question "is it possible to install Linux" is always yes...
i wouldn't be so sure about that.
The "SecureBoot" spec for tablets, laptops etc with ARM CPUs doesn't allow installation of custom keys, and doesn't allow the owner to disable it.
Some suspect that's a trial run for what MS-NSA-RIAA intends to require of x86 PC & Motherboard manufacturers in the not-too-distant future.
Yes, older tech may become a gold mine for those wanting to retain or get back a level of privacy and security that cannot be offered by a "Windows Appliance"... :( And there is never any guarantees that machines will always be able to run Linux. Some of the new NUC computers from Intel have nothing about non Windows OS support, but I was told, they all run Linux fine... The advertising has been dumbed down, the user is expected to run Windows. With the Intel ME, CPU issues, hardware implementations [UEFI lock down for one], it doesn't auger well. Then of course there are all the software lock-in issues. Heck, there has even been talk of Tor being compromised by CIA "and supported by the Tor project", if you can believe that. As I've said before, the days of trusted computing seem very numbered. A.
On Thursday, 25 August 2016 1:23:38 AM AEST Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
Yes, older tech may become a gold mine for those wanting to retain or get back a level of privacy and security that cannot be offered by a "Windows Appliance"... :(
And there is never any guarantees that machines will always be able to run Linux. Some of the new NUC computers from Intel have nothing about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface#GDI_printers Remember the "Win Printers"? They relied on part of the Windows graphics driver code to perform print rendering. For a while some people were worried about Linux being locked out of the printer market. Then MS released a new version of Windows that didn't support the drivers for those old printers and some of them became Linux-only printers.
non Windows OS support, but I was told, they all run Linux fine... The advertising has been dumbed down, the user is expected to run Windows.
With the Intel ME, CPU issues, hardware implementations [UEFI lock down for one], it doesn't auger well. Then of course there are all the
It is a concern. But one option for the more extremely locked down systems would be to exploit a bug in Windows to root the system, and root it again on every boot. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
IIUC, someone recently released the golden key that is part of the security system underpinning UEFI anyway... the inherent danger of golden keys etc... Deeply flawed system is deeply flawed... On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Russell Coker via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On Thursday, 25 August 2016 1:23:38 AM AEST Andrew McGlashan via luv-main wrote:
Yes, older tech may become a gold mine for those wanting to retain or get back a level of privacy and security that cannot be offered by a "Windows Appliance"... :(
And there is never any guarantees that machines will always be able to run Linux. Some of the new NUC computers from Intel have nothing about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_Device_Interface#GDI_printers
Remember the "Win Printers"? They relied on part of the Windows graphics driver code to perform print rendering. For a while some people were worried about Linux being locked out of the printer market. Then MS released a new version of Windows that didn't support the drivers for those old printers and some of them became Linux-only printers.
non Windows OS support, but I was told, they all run Linux fine... The advertising has been dumbed down, the user is expected to run Windows.
With the Intel ME, CPU issues, hardware implementations [UEFI lock down for one], it doesn't auger well. Then of course there are all the
It is a concern. But one option for the more extremely locked down systems would be to exploit a bug in Windows to root the system, and root it again on every boot.
-- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
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On Monday, 29 August 2016 12:27:08 PM AEST Paul van den Bergen wrote:
IIUC, someone recently released the golden key that is part of the security system underpinning UEFI anyway... the inherent danger of golden keys etc...
It wasn't a key that leaked. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/44223.html All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, Chris Samuel wrote:
On Monday, 29 August 2016 12:27:08 PM AEST Paul van den Bergen wrote:
IIUC, someone recently released the golden key that is part of the security system underpinning UEFI anyway... the inherent danger of golden keys etc...
It wasn't a key that leaked.
And the comments are enlightening too. I yearn for the days when computers didn't suck. -- Tim Connors
On Tuesday, 30 August 2016 11:03:31 AM AEST Tim Connors via luv-main wrote:
I yearn for the days when computers didn't suck.
They always have, they've just found different ways to express it these days. -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
Yes. I think getting kids to use old PCs running Linux is better. They can play without worrying too much about breaking things and the environmental cost is 0 because it was assigned to rubbish at the start. On 23 August 2016 11:07:09 AM AEST, Andrew Pam via luv-main <luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
Not disagreeing, adding an extra option. Nothing like being allowed to touch the hardware... that is afterall the whole point of raspberry pi. if the age of the equipment isn't important, have you considered approaching PC rebuilders...? On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
Yes. I think getting kids to use old PCs running Linux is better. They can play without worrying too much about breaking things and the environmental cost is 0 because it was assigned to rubbish at the start.
On 23 August 2016 11:07:09 AM AEST, Andrew Pam via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
What is PC rebuilders? On 23 August 2016 12:12:56 PM AEST, Paul van den Bergen <paul.vandenbergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Not disagreeing, adding an extra option.
Nothing like being allowed to touch the hardware...
that is afterall the whole point of raspberry pi.
if the age of the equipment isn't important, have you considered approaching PC rebuilders...?
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
Yes. I think getting kids to use old PCs running Linux is better. They can play without worrying too much about breaking things and the environmental cost is 0 because it was assigned to rubbish at the start.
On 23 August 2016 11:07:09 AM AEST, Andrew Pam via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
sorry, I was talking generically - PC sellers who rebuild peoples machines, resell second hand machines, etc. mostly they want machines sub 5 years old - anything older is nearly useless. not a company name or organisation... On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
What is PC rebuilders?
On 23 August 2016 12:12:56 PM AEST, Paul van den Bergen < paul.vandenbergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Not disagreeing, adding an extra option.
Nothing like being allowed to touch the hardware...
that is afterall the whole point of raspberry pi.
if the age of the equipment isn't important, have you considered approaching PC rebuilders...?
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 12:04 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
Yes. I think getting kids to use old PCs running Linux is better. They can play without worrying too much about breaking things and the environmental cost is 0 because it was assigned to rubbish at the start.
On 23 August 2016 11:07:09 AM AEST, Andrew Pam via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
On 23/08/16 11:01, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
Shame it's Windows 10. Is it at least possible to install Linux?
Cheers, Andrew _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
-- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail.
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
I backed this one on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/andromium/the-superbook-turn-your-smart... Looks interesting, it is using DisplayLink technology; I've opted for back lit keys and FHD screen (11.6") .... Not the same, but it seems that almost everyone has a smart phone that they can get more use out of with a setup like this project. Cheers A.
HI Paul, it looks as it is Windows 10 only now? Or are the Linux plans not dead yet? I looked at it a while ago and was really interested in it (but now enough spare $$$ to buy one when the crowdfunding happened) The Windows 10 laptop I found recently does not interest me that much. Regards Peter On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
https://www.one-education.org/
(I know one of the folks working there)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Russell Coker via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
I've been collecting hardware for Wooranna Park Primary (which runs a Coder Dojo as described in a LUV lecture last year). They are after things that the kids can fix up and learn from. PCs and Laptops that they can install Linux on and random hardware they can play with.
If you have stuff that may be suitable and can bring it to a LUV meeting let me know off list. -- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
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news from the coal front is: windows 10 now, linux and chromium in progress. Backorder to October - apparently it's popular... On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Peter Ross <petrosssit@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Paul,
it looks as it is Windows 10 only now?
Or are the Linux plans not dead yet?
I looked at it a while ago and was really interested in it (but now enough spare $$$ to buy one when the crowdfunding happened)
The Windows 10 laptop I found recently does not interest me that much.
Regards Peter
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Paul van den Bergen via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
slightly off-target, you might be interested in Infinity One - from the same team who worked on the one laptop per child program...
https://www.one-education.org/
(I know one of the folks working there)
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:37 AM, Russell Coker via luv-main < luv-main@luv.asn.au> wrote:
I've been collecting hardware for Wooranna Park Primary (which runs a Coder Dojo as described in a LUV lecture last year). They are after things that the kids can fix up and learn from. PCs and Laptops that they can install Linux on and random hardware they can play with.
If you have stuff that may be suitable and can bring it to a LUV meeting let me know off list. -- Sent from my Nexus 6P with K-9 Mail. _______________________________________________ luv-main mailing list luv-main@luv.asn.au https://lists.luv.asn.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luv-main
-- Dr Paul van den Bergen
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