I'm writing this message as a Linux user and a member of LUV - not as a member of the LUV committee. Avi, you have a history of making good technical contributions to LUV and of representing your employer well. However I think that Oracle has been under- represented given their technical work and their importance in the industry. I think that it would be good to have some Oracle employees give talks at LUV meetings as they are doing a lot that LUV members could learn about. Avi you are obviously well qualified to give such talks, but I think it would be good to get other Oracle employees with different skills involved too. A lecture about running the Oracle Database on Linux would be of interest. Also Red Hat has been running free public events teaching people about their products and services which I have found to be good value (and I have recommended some on this list). Does Oracle run such events? If so please inform the LUV committee and we can forward to the list if appropriate (I don't think it's appropriate for Linux companies to advertise on this list, but it's OK for LUV members who aren't associated with companies in question to recommend them). Some years ago there was an Oracle database install-fest, that was a useful event and many people learned a lot there. I think it would be good if Oracle ran another of those, if that happens I think it would be appropriate for LUV to promote that. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
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Hi,
On 31 Oct 2014, at 5:26 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
And yes, you can install Oracle on non Oracle stack, but you won't get any support for Oracle [by Oracle] on Linux UNLESS it is 100% using Oracle's stack.
This is absolutely not true: Oracle RDBMS (as an example of one of our products) is fully certified on Oracle Linux, RHEL, SUSE, Windows, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX on various hardware including Intel, SPARC, and PPC. You get exactly the same level of support across all of the certified platforms. The benefit of running RDBMS on Oracle Linux is that your support request can be fully handled by Oracle.
As an Oracle DBA of many years, I've come to the conclusion that I don't really want to support Oracle any longer. The way they took over Sun, well not happy about that. They way they still take issue with Google over Java API with Android ... not good either. The way that MySql test scripts are now [unless it has changed again], not part of MySql open source....
It's interesting you say that about Sun, because from Oracle's perspective, we've finally made the hardware division profitable (something Sun wasn't actually able to do). Our Engineered Systems (Exadata, Exalogic, Exalytics, Virtual Compute Appliance, SPARC SuperCluster, Big Data Appliance and others) are fantastic examples of the sheer power of having hardware and software fully integrated by a single vendor. The new SPARC M7 chip was only possible by combining the RDBMS team with our hardware designers so that we could create a chip that could offload RDBMS functions into silicon. And the flip side is the MySQL has gotten exponentially better since we bought Sun, with releases being fully tested and certified prior to release. The OpenJDK has become fully open and the reference JDK completely. VirtualBox is fantastic. We've ported Dtrace to Linux. We keep improving btrfs and OCFS2 in mainline. We've brought significant improvements to NFS (particularly our mainline work on pNFS and NFS over RDMA). We did a lot of the IPv6 work for NFS too. As I've said before, the Oracle mainline kernel developers have little to do with Oracle Linux the product: they're paid to improve Linux in mainline and we have another team that builds and tests the UEK. One of the motivations behind releasing the UEK is to be closer to mainline to get the benefits of our ongoing work on enterprise Linux capability. Essentially, our former Sun customers as told to me anecdotally at OpenWorld this year and last year have all said that while they were very worried about the acquisition, the truth is that for enterprise customers, they're getting far more now with Oracle than they did in the last years of Sun. Obviously, YMMV. :) Cheers, Avi
On 31/10/2014 6:02 PM, Avi Miller wrote:
Hi,
On 31 Oct 2014, at 5:26 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
And yes, you can install Oracle on non Oracle stack, but you won't get any support for Oracle [by Oracle] on Linux UNLESS it is 100% using Oracle's stack.
This is absolutely not true: Oracle RDBMS (as an example of one of our products) is fully certified on Oracle Linux, RHEL, SUSE, Windows, AIX, Solaris and HP-UX on various hardware including Intel, SPARC, and PPC. You get exactly the same level of support across all of the certified platforms. The benefit of running RDBMS on Oracle Linux is that your support request can be fully handled by Oracle.
Sorry, I did mean under a virtualization environment ... that makes a big difference.
As an Oracle DBA of many years, I've come to the conclusion that I don't really want to support Oracle any longer. The way they took over Sun, well not happy about that. They way they still take issue with Google over Java API with Android ... not good either. The way that MySql test scripts are now [unless it has changed again], not part of MySql open source....
It's interesting you say that about Sun, because from Oracle's perspective, we've finally made the hardware division profitable (something Sun wasn't actually able to do). Our Engineered Systems (Exadata, Exalogic, Exalytics, Virtual Compute Appliance, SPARC SuperCluster, Big Data Appliance and others) are fantastic examples of the sheer power of having hardware and software fully integrated by a single vendor. The new SPARC M7 chip was only possible by combining the RDBMS team with our hardware designers so that we could create a chip that could offload RDBMS functions into silicon.
There was an unusual and interesting thing that M$ did with Apple to help Apple remain viable. I would have preferred that Oracle give Sun a good leg up, particularly since there are so many implementations out there that are Sun OS / Oracle based and over so many years -- instead, Sun become vulnerable and Oracle gobbled them up, rather than otherwise help them out.
And the flip side is the MySQL has gotten exponentially better since we bought Sun, with releases being fully tested and certified prior to release. The OpenJDK has become fully open and the reference JDK completely. VirtualBox is fantastic. We've ported Dtrace to Linux. We keep improving btrfs and OCFS2 in mainline. We've brought significant improvements to NFS (particularly our mainline work on pNFS and NFS over RDMA). We did a lot of the IPv6 work for NFS too.
Then why are the test scripts no longer open source? This is pushing users towards MariaDB and other alternatives.
As I've said before, the Oracle mainline kernel developers have little to do with Oracle Linux the product: they're paid to improve Linux in mainline and we have another team that builds and tests the UEK. One of the motivations behind releasing the UEK is to be closer to mainline to get the benefits of our ongoing work on enterprise Linux capability.
Fair enough. If it was just a choice for me against RHEL and UEK, then UEK would win out at this time. But there are other options. I would also like to see ZFS have it's license terms changed so that it can be a real alternative to BTRFS for Linux, instead we need to go BSD to get the best benefits of ZFS.
Essentially, our former Sun customers as told to me anecdotally at OpenWorld this year and last year have all said that while they were very worried about the acquisition, the truth is that for enterprise customers, they're getting far more now with Oracle than they did in the last years of Sun.
Oracle OpenWorld has a significant history of Sun OS / Oracle people. Not sure that many are using SPARC hardware for much more than running Oracle databases these days.... it's almost like Motorola vs Intel, now it's an all Intel, ala x86, based world. I wonder why Oracle OpenWorld is not called Oracle World instead. ;-)
Obviously, YMMV. :)
Yes. Cheers A.
Hi,
On 31 Oct 2014, at 6:19 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Sorry, I did mean under a virtualization environment ... that makes a big difference.
We support most virtualization platforms including VMware, Hyper-V and Oracle VM. We also support most operating systems. Certification has also broaden to include RDBMS on Windows running on Hyper-V (with Oracle Linux certification on Hyper-V in progress). We even extended support on VMware to cover RAC from 11.2.0.3 and higher. Though, VMware support doesn't include certification.
I would have preferred that Oracle give Sun a good leg up, particularly since there are so many implementations out there that are Sun OS / Oracle based and over so many years -- instead, Sun become vulnerable and Oracle gobbled them up, rather than otherwise help them out.
We didn't gobble them up: Sun had to be sold, regardless. Oracle was the primary application on the SPARC platform so we were giving them as much support as we possibly could. Would you have preferred IBM to buy Sun? They were the front-runner for the acquisition for much longer than Oracle.
Then why are the test scripts no longer open source? This is pushing users towards MariaDB and other alternatives.
I can't answer this: I'm not part of the MySQL team and have no visibility into their internal decisions.
I would also like to see ZFS have it's license terms changed so that it can be a real alternative to BTRFS for Linux, instead we need to go BSD to get the best benefits of ZFS.
ZFS is almost certainly never going to have its license changed: I'd rather focus on improving btrfs so that it negates the need for ZFS on Linux completely. Keep in mind that we started development on btrfs way before the Sun acquisition. Cheers, Avi
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On 31 Oct 2014, at 6:19 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote: Sorry, I did mean under a virtualization environment ... that makes a big difference.
We support most virtualization platforms including VMware, Hyper-V and Oracle VM. We also support most operating systems. Certification has also broaden to include RDBMS on Windows running on Hyper-V (with Oracle Linux certification on Hyper-V in progress). We even extended support on VMware to cover RAC from 11.2.0.3 and higher. Though, VMware support doesn't include certification.
So, the "certified" platforms have been widened, but are still limited?
I would have preferred that Oracle give Sun a good leg up, particularly since there are so many implementations out there that are Sun OS / Oracle based and over so many years -- instead, Sun become vulnerable and Oracle gobbled them up, rather than otherwise help them out.
We didn't gobble them up: Sun had to be sold, regardless. Oracle was the primary application on the SPARC platform so we were giving them as much support as we possibly could. Would you have preferred IBM to buy Sun? They were the front-runner for the acquisition for much longer than Oracle.
IBM don't have any hardware platform now, everything has been sold off. So sad that Sun couldn't remain viable as Sun going forward.
I would also like to see ZFS have it's license terms changed so that it can be a real alternative to BTRFS for Linux, instead we need to go BSD to get the best benefits of ZFS.
ZFS is almost certainly never going to have its license changed: I'd rather focus on improving btrfs so that it negates the need for ZFS on Linux completely. Keep in mind that we started development on btrfs way before the Sun acquisition.
Well, I know the history of btrfs as well as ocfs -- I just wish I shared your view and that of Russell's that btrfs is the way to go moving forward, unfortunately I can't share your enthusiasm for it. I trust ZFS a great deal more than BTRFS. Cheers A. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRTPfoACgkQqBZry7fv4vskqQEAth6Pr9lQX6W9b9V4POo4iNC1 iNU/SuTjyzyPAfL+4jkA/AtXCvCM1MCkodlJfZSuxIrh0aTQ68Oydnmb1+BGMWkZ =q7AW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
(Apologies for top-posting, but it's just easier on iOS). Certification by definition is limited: we can only certify on platforms provided by vendors with whom we have an active ISV partnership. Using Microsoft as an example: we certified Windows on Oracle VM and they certified Oracle Linux on Hyper-V and Azure. And IBM retain their Power platform, a direct competitor to SPARC. Finally, I suspect your trust of ZFS comes from your experience. If you gave btrfs the same time (without the expectation of feature-to-feature parity), you may find yourself trusting it too. Sent from my iPhone
On 31 Oct 2014, at 6:44 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
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Hi,
On 31/10/2014 6:24 PM, Avi Miller wrote:
On 31 Oct 2014, at 6:19 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote: Sorry, I did mean under a virtualization environment ... that makes a big difference.
We support most virtualization platforms including VMware, Hyper-V and Oracle VM. We also support most operating systems. Certification has also broaden to include RDBMS on Windows running on Hyper-V (with Oracle Linux certification on Hyper-V in progress). We even extended support on VMware to cover RAC from 11.2.0.3 and higher. Though, VMware support doesn't include certification.
So, the "certified" platforms have been widened, but are still limited?
I would have preferred that Oracle give Sun a good leg up, particularly since there are so many implementations out there that are Sun OS / Oracle based and over so many years -- instead, Sun become vulnerable and Oracle gobbled them up, rather than otherwise help them out.
We didn't gobble them up: Sun had to be sold, regardless. Oracle was the primary application on the SPARC platform so we were giving them as much support as we possibly could. Would you have preferred IBM to buy Sun? They were the front-runner for the acquisition for much longer than Oracle.
IBM don't have any hardware platform now, everything has been sold off.
So sad that Sun couldn't remain viable as Sun going forward.
I would also like to see ZFS have it's license terms changed so that it can be a real alternative to BTRFS for Linux, instead we need to go BSD to get the best benefits of ZFS.
ZFS is almost certainly never going to have its license changed: I'd rather focus on improving btrfs so that it negates the need for ZFS on Linux completely. Keep in mind that we started development on btrfs way before the Sun acquisition.
Well, I know the history of btrfs as well as ocfs -- I just wish I shared your view and that of Russell's that btrfs is the way to go moving forward, unfortunately I can't share your enthusiasm for it. I trust ZFS a great deal more than BTRFS.
Cheers A.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 31/10/2014 6:54 PM, Avi Miller wrote:
(Apologies for top-posting, but it's just easier on iOS).
Uggh, iOS :)
Certification by definition is limited: we can only certify on platforms provided by vendors with whom we have an active ISV partnership.
Using Microsoft as an example: we certified Windows on Oracle VM and they certified Oracle Linux on Hyper-V and Azure.
Okay, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours, I understand.
And IBM retain their Power platform, a direct competitor to SPARC.
Okay. Although IBM may have been a better fit... I don't know.
Finally, I suspect your trust of ZFS comes from your experience. If you gave btrfs the same time (without the expectation of feature-to-feature parity), you may find yourself trusting it too.
Not likely. Given the way systemd is going, I think I am much more likely to use Linux less and BSD instead where possible, thus making btrfs more or less irrelevant for me going forward. My son enthusiastically ran btrfs for quite a period of time, he is less conservative than myself in this area -- he gave up on btrfs some time ago, but he gave it a very good go. I much prefer tried and true and absolutely proven technology, particularly when data loss is not an option [not withstanding backups]. A. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (MingW32) iF4EAREIAAYFAlRTQuMACgkQqBZry7fv4vtiOQEAk/rEL+EiCSQDyVWnvpw1lFZx /wMffunzxAIvP53Xde8A/1VTqJx1oVoBV7OVbNJ+yN8FDmnlkayXOXETYJ4B1sZL =psIN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 06:44:59 PM Andrew McGlashan wrote:
IBM don't have any hardware platform now, everything has been sold off.
Whilst they have sold off their x86 entirely to Lenovo they still have Power. Yes, they are selling the fabs off, but AMD did that before them (and thus GlobalFoundry was born) and I suspect IBM have sold the fabs so they can get access to better fabs and not have to fund the development (directly) themselves. They've committed to buying Power chips from GlobalFoundry for 10 years so it has some life left in it. Of course if Power8 doesn't work out for them then it will be easier for them to exit the hardware market, and to be honest I'd not be surprised if they chose to do that at the end of the deal. But I'd not be surprised if they carried on using them to make chips and platforms too. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014, Avi Miller <avi.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
It's interesting you say that about Sun, because from Oracle's perspective, we've finally made the hardware division profitable (something Sun wasn't actually able to do). Our Engineered Systems (Exadata, Exalogic, Exalytics, Virtual Compute Appliance, SPARC SuperCluster, Big Data Appliance and others) are fantastic examples of the sheer power of having hardware and software fully integrated by a single vendor. The new SPARC M7 chip was only possible by combining the RDBMS team with our hardware designers so that we could create a chip that could offload RDBMS functions into silicon.
A lecture about SPARC hardware would be of great interest to many people. While the number of LUV members who use SPARC hardware is quite small the number who have a hobby interest in computer architecture is large. That M7 sounds particularly interesting.
And the flip side is the MySQL has gotten exponentially better since we bought Sun, with releases being fully tested and certified prior to release.
We have had opportunities to hear reports about MySQL that represent different positions. I think it would be good to hear an Oracle employee give their side of the story.
The OpenJDK has become fully open and the reference JDK completely. VirtualBox is fantastic. We've ported Dtrace to Linux.
Why would we want Dtrace on Linux? Could be a good LUV talk in that.
We keep improving btrfs and OCFS2 in mainline. We've brought significant improvements to NFS (particularly our mainline work on pNFS and NFS over RDMA). We did a lot of the IPv6 work for NFS too.
OCFS2 and NFS have good potential for LUV talks. Is Oracle still doing much with BTRFS? Last I heard Chris Mason worked for Facebook. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/
Avi Miller <avi.miller@gmail.com> writes:
The new SPARC M7 chip was only possible by combining the RDBMS team with our hardware designers so that we could create a chip that could offload RDBMS functions into silicon.
Cool. I remember when Symbolics were doing this (for Lisp, obviously, not RDBMS). I didn't know Oracle was even SELLING sparc, let alone making new hardware revisions. Of course, I'm not their target market ;-)
Since the acquisition we've released both the T5/M5 and announced the upcoming M7 due in 2015. We've also engineered the SPARC SuperCluster machine that combines SPARC compute nodes with infiniband and ZFS storage appliances. Sent from my iPhone
On 3 Nov 2014, at 11:30 am, Trent W. Buck <trentbuck@gmail.com> wrote:
Avi Miller <avi.miller@gmail.com> writes:
The new SPARC M7 chip was only possible by combining the RDBMS team with our hardware designers so that we could create a chip that could offload RDBMS functions into silicon.
Cool. I remember when Symbolics were doing this (for Lisp, obviously, not RDBMS). I didn't know Oracle was even SELLING sparc, let alone making new hardware revisions.
Of course, I'm not their target market ;-)
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On 03/11/14 11:30, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Cool. I remember when Symbolics were doing this (for Lisp, obviously, not RDBMS). I didn't know Oracle was even SELLING sparc, let alone making new hardware revisions.
Fujitsu also do their own SPARC development, and for 2011 the Fujitsu "K" computer at RIKEN was #1 on the Top500. http://www.top500.org/system/177232 Last year they presented the SPARC64 X+ at the Hot Chips conference: http://www.hotchips.org/wp-content/uploads/hc_archives/hc25/HC25.90-Processo... All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On 3/11/2014 11:44 AM, Chris Samuel wrote:
On 03/11/14 11:30, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Cool. I remember when Symbolics were doing this (for Lisp, obviously, not RDBMS). I didn't know Oracle was even SELLING sparc, let alone making new hardware revisions.
Fujitsu also do their own SPARC development, and for 2011 the Fujitsu "K" computer at RIKEN was #1 on the Top500.
Do they? Or are they just building servers that use SPARC CPUs, like many motherboard manufacturers build for Intel CPUs .... ? A.
On 3 Nov 2014, at 6:44 pm, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
On 3/11/2014 11:44 AM, Chris Samuel wrote:
On 03/11/14 11:30, Trent W. Buck wrote:
Cool. I remember when Symbolics were doing this (for Lisp, obviously, not RDBMS). I didn't know Oracle was even SELLING sparc, let alone making new hardware revisions.
Fujitsu also do their own SPARC development, and for 2011 the Fujitsu "K" computer at RIKEN was #1 on the Top500.
Do they? Or are they just building servers that use SPARC CPUs, like many motherboard manufacturers build for Intel CPUs .... ?
Fujitsu do their own SPARC development and AFAIK manufacture the Oracle-designs SPARC chips as well. But don't quote me on that. :) Cheers, Avi
On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:44:49 PM Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Fujitsu also do their own SPARC development, and for 2011 the Fujitsu "K" computer at RIKEN was #1 on the Top500.
Do they? Or are they just building servers that use SPARC CPUs, like many motherboard manufacturers build for Intel CPUs .... ?
You don't get to present at Hot Chips if you're just an OEM. :-) Have a read of the PDF I linked to originally. cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC
On 4/11/2014 12:03 AM, Chris Samuel wrote:
On Mon, 3 Nov 2014 06:44:49 PM Andrew McGlashan wrote:
Fujitsu also do their own SPARC development, and for 2011 the Fujitsu "K" computer at RIKEN was #1 on the Top500.
Do they? Or are they just building servers that use SPARC CPUs, like many motherboard manufacturers build for Intel CPUs .... ?
You don't get to present at Hot Chips if you're just an OEM. :-)
Have a read of the PDF I linked to originally.
It looks good, thank you, but I am not in the market for a SPARC server of any kind these days.... ;-) Cheers A.
Avi Miller <avi.miller@gmail.com> writes:
And the flip side is the MySQL has gotten exponentially better since we bought Sun, with releases being fully tested and certified prior to release.
I'll chip in my 2c (check out the video from my LCA2014 talk for even more of my cents): The current MySQL releases are easily the best ones ever to come out of any entity that has produced MySQL releases. An informed guess is that there is at least an order of magnitude more people working on MySQL than there is on MariaDB. It is Oracle corporate policy not to publish any information about security issues. This includes DoS, i.e. server crashes. There is absolutely no way in hell that a relatively tiny part of the company (MySQL group) is changing that, even though it's stupid r.e. open source software. The rest of the test suite is still open, it has grown at a steady rate since MySQL was under Oracle. There are more tests now than there ever have been before, and it's still growing. -- Stewart Smith
Hi,
On 31 Oct 2014, at 5:01 pm, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
Avi, you have a history of making good technical contributions to LUV and of representing your employer well. However I think that Oracle has been under- represented given their technical work and their importance in the industry.
This is true, and something the Oracle Linux product marketing team is looking to address in 2015.
I think that it would be good to have some Oracle employees give talks at LUV meetings as they are doing a lot that LUV members could learn about. Avi you are obviously well qualified to give such talks, but I think it would be good to get other Oracle employees with different skills involved too. A lecture about running the Oracle Database on Linux would be of interest.
We've been declined in the past talking about non-Open Source products like Database in spaces like LUV. I don't recall if it was specifically LUV, but I know that previous attempts to do similar style presentations have not been well-received.
Also Red Hat has been running free public events teaching people about their products and services which I have found to be good value (and I have recommended some on this list). Does Oracle run such events?
Oracle runs lots and lots of free seminars and events in Melbourne and around Australia. However, most of those events are focused on the Oracle product stack and have little to no Open Source "worth" (for want of a better word).
Some years ago there was an Oracle database install-fest, that was a useful event and many people learned a lot there. I think it would be good if Oracle ran another of those, if that happens I think it would be appropriate for LUV to promote that.
If you're interested in things like install-fests and other Oracle-product related seminars, I would urge you to join AUSOUG[1],the Australian Oracle User Group. There is also NZOUG which runs a great conference each year (that I've spoken at several times). Essentially, the audience at LUV I suspect is not the target market for Oracle-focused presentations as they tend to be about proprietary products. Though, I'm absolutely willing to come and talk about developments and improvements within Oracle Linux itself. Cheers, Avi [1] http://www.ausoug.org.au/pages
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014, Avi Miller <avi.miller@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that it would be good to have some Oracle employees give talks at LUV meetings as they are doing a lot that LUV members could learn about. Avi you are obviously well qualified to give such talks, but I think it would be good to get other Oracle employees with different skills involved too. A lecture about running the Oracle Database on Linux would be of interest.
We've been declined in the past talking about non-Open Source products like Database in spaces like LUV. I don't recall if it was specifically LUV, but I know that previous attempts to do similar style presentations have not been well-received.
As a member of the LUV committee I assure you that offers of lectures for LUV talks will not be badly received. It may be that we decline some offers due to having offers that seem to be of more interest to the audience. But we appreciate receiving offers. We really don't get an excessive number of offers. Also note that we can schedule talks at short notice if the situation demands it. For example of a skilled programmer who works for Oracle happens to be in Melbourne with a spare evening then it's not impossible to put something else off the schedule. I have a talk scheduled for the next meeting, if one of the stars of Oracle happened to be only available on that day then I'm happy to give them my speaking slot. Also it's not impossible to have 3 lectures on one night if we have opportunities for good lectures that LUV members will benefit from.
Also Red Hat has been running free public events teaching people about their products and services which I have found to be good value (and I have recommended some on this list). Does Oracle run such events?
Oracle runs lots and lots of free seminars and events in Melbourne and around Australia. However, most of those events are focused on the Oracle product stack and have little to no Open Source "worth" (for want of a better word).
That could be. Please tell me what Oracle is offering in private email or to the committee list. I might attend for my own interest even if it doesn't seem to be relevant for LUV. ;)
Some years ago there was an Oracle database install-fest, that was a useful event and many people learned a lot there. I think it would be good if Oracle ran another of those, if that happens I think it would be appropriate for LUV to promote that.
If you're interested in things like install-fests and other Oracle-product related seminars, I would urge you to join AUSOUG[1],the Australian Oracle User Group. There is also NZOUG which runs a great conference each year (that I've spoken at several times).
I've checked out the AUSOG web site, it seems mostly aimed at people who already do serious things with Oracle. I'm interested in events about what you can do with Oracle at a high level, so if one of my clients has a possible need for Oracle technology I can give them good advice.
Essentially, the audience at LUV I suspect is not the target market for Oracle-focused presentations as they tend to be about proprietary products. Though, I'm absolutely willing to come and talk about developments and improvements within Oracle Linux itself.
That would be great!
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