Much thanks for both offers of DVD's its much apreciated, although it does raise the difficulty of which kind offer to chose, but I will figure that out. A comment on Russell's post regarding koganmobile, the problem with this is the data per day is limited to 400Mbytes, this means one cannot simply get large items like even a CD image. I found this type of restriction was common on monthly based accounts. Such a restriction almost never applies to prepaid data which is one of the reasons I have chosen to take that path. A point I will bring up on service selection, I will not if at all possible deal with faceless organisations, both internet service providers I deal with have real people one can talk to. I ___HATE___ organisations which go to great lengths to put there customers at arms length (ie most of them). I have found Virgin's support to be a major breath of fresh air, where organisations like Telstra apparently could not care less. Lindsay