The advantage of making the statements on-list are the knock-on benefits. Others who are offended benefit from the visible debate and visible show of support. I would suggest it is advisable to make the decision about private vs on-list resolution of issues on a case by case basis.

I would heartily suggest that gay people have had to put up with enough crap that goes well beyond the ordinary. I think it's perfectly fine to call people out on using terminology like poofs. It's not a matter of never saying anything offensive ever, it's a matter of respecting individuals and being basically respectful. 

We all share the same space here, so we need to find a way to get along.

Free speech, well-used, is about being able to discuss issues freely and put forth bold ideas. I don't really think that casual slurs against minorities is what anyone had in mind as the central use case...



On 10 December 2014 at 09:02, walter <walter@wideband.net.au> wrote:
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 08:41 +1100, Bob wrote:
> Hmmm,
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Jesse Stevens <noodlepringle@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm sorry did you just say iPoofs? This is totally inappropriate in any
> >> context.
> > Yes it is.
> >
> > Slurs against minority groups are unacceptable.
> >
> > In future place CC messages about such behavior to the LUV committee so we can
> > take action if appropriate.
> >
> It's interesting how social pressure to conform to the latest,
> fashionable, politically correct rhetoric pervades every corner of our
> lives.  Not  that I agree with the terminology used, or the thinly
> veiled implication, but whatever happened to 'free speech'? Personal
> responses to such poor taste may be appropriate, but the pressures
> within social media etc to conform to the views of pressure groups and
> all sorts of lobbyists is becoming tiresome - as is the public threat of
> action by some 'higher authority'. Next we won't be able to say 'girl'
> on this in public - perhaps naturally assigned female gender or NAFG?
>
> Perhaps rather than place such personal social pressure publicly within
> this forum it could be done by PM?
>
> LUV Talk anyway
>
> Bob
>
I agree re  PM  How many times has the "offensive"  term been repeated
in this group now.

 Side note  that "offensive term"   does have more than one meaning, I
wonder why the only one that could be considered offensive is the one
chosen ???

walter

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