iceowl has finally stopped working in debian sid (mozilla sunbird was discontinued upstream a long time ago). does anyone know of a simple stand-alone calendar program that can sync with google calendar? mostly, i just want something where i can enter appointments etc into the calendar on my desktop and have them turn up on my phone and tablet. and vice-versa. things that aren't suitable: 1. I don't want to use the web-based google calendar because i don't want to leave a browser logged in to google apps all the time. 2. I already know about icedove and the lightning extension. As a last resort, it will do (and it is almost certainly what i'll use until i find something else) but i just want a standalone calendar program - I don't want it messing with my mail too. iceowl was the standalone calendar-only version of icedove+lightning. it worked exactly as i wanted it to, and the UI was more than adequate for my purposes. 3. Anything that depends on gnome shell or requires a specific desktop environment. I use a variety of apps from gnome, xfce, kde, and others but i have no intention of becoming dependant on any one of them, otherwise i'd have to completely change my entire desktop environment after every major release when gnome/kde/whoever perpetrates their next we-know-what's-best-for-you idiocy. craig -- craig sanders <cas@taz.net.au>