On 16.01.16 21:01, Craig Sanders via luv-main wrote:
On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 05:08:23PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
Actually the Gmail users didn't do anything, they just signed up for a mail service knowing nothing about DKIM or the Gmail actions that would happen when they received DKIM signed mail via a list.
it's really difficult to have much sympathy for the technical problems experienced by people who chose to use a spyware service run by a giant corporation. They CHOSE to have no control over their mail, they get to just suck it up and accept whatever problems that causes. They don't get to assume that their abdication of responsibility for their own email automatically entitle them to cause problems for others.
Corporations cannot be allowed to deny the freedom of internet traffic. If their DSHIT needs a header, then let them tack one on. It is both in principle and in practice unacceptable to allow them to hijack existing headers, particularly as it is to the practical detriment of list users. If a minority of list members have made the mistake of using gmail, then I _do_ have sympathy - sufficient to cordially recommend them moving to a service which does not set out to break independent mailing lists. Out list is _not_ primarily a subservice of gmail ... well, until recently, it wasn't.
If they were so wrong then Gmail wouldn't implement DKIM/DMARC checks on mail it receives.
google has their own reasons for destroying independently run mailing lists.
+1 ...
It's OK to wish that Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, Facebook, and other big companies would do things differently. But your wishes aren't going to change anything. Let's stick to discussing the reality of how to deal with mail to/from such services.
i didn't wish they did things differently, at least that's not the argument i'm making here. my attitude is that their unreasonable demands about changing the nature of email and mailing lists should be ignored, not surrendered/pandered to.
Foolishly surrendering to one leads to surrendering to the others in turn, as they work to copy gmail's hijack strategy. It is much better to restore the status quo ante, and let gmail suffer loss of users as a result of their sabotage of mailing lists. Erik