Hi, in the mentioned case of a ski club (some pressure to adapt a new constitution because of legislation) we wrote the new constitution according to some model rules. We want to present it to the AGM but if it does not get adopted it isn't the end of it. We still exist, just with an outdated constitution. As our president notes, it is still valid because it was established before the new legislation went through (I believe him, I did not check myself) On the way we found some amusing antique staff, as found here too. At the point I am not sure whether I am a LUV member, probably not because I do not remember any forms. I joined a mailing list and that was it. I will not be there tonight, sorry. I will see what happens. But it is probably not wise to rush it through. It just leads to hurt feelings. Why do you have an official organisation in the first place and not just a list and maybe a meeting once a month? I guess the reason for a legal entity is to simplify or enable: 1. Insurance 2. Sponsoring 3. Hiring of venues etc. 4. A public voice 5. A president to blame;-) Okay, maybe 1 to 4 are valid. What else? So the most "legal" staff is not done because it is enjoyable, more out of necessity. So everybody wants to keep it as simple as possible. Linux Australia and LUV have the same motivation, I think: promotion of Open Software and Linux in particular. The rest is a matter of a legal framework, and I have no opinion about it. I am not a lawyer and why else should I care? Regards Peter