On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, zlinw@mcmedia.com.au wrote:
Linux is developed by more people than just Debian Developers, I regularly submit well researched bug fixes to various projects, including the kernels framebuffer code (one of linux's more difficult areas to work in). Very much time is spent on making sure these are well valued contributions. DD's are not the only ones spending time in Linux code.................
Would you like to have a bunch of people who know nothing about framebuffer code start telling you what you should be doing? What if they start saying that such code should be the subject of a democratic vote among people who have never read it?
This is getting me no where, I am not surprised systemd is getting plenty of opposition as most of its proponents appear now to be incapable of giving a clear explanation of why they support it. I have better things to do with my development time than try and figure out a project with apparently no clear goals (as so far none has been given).
We had lots of long discussions when the issue was still up for debate, you can read them if you wish. Then when no consensus was reached the technical committee made a decision, you can read their analysis of the situation if you wish. This thread on luv-main was never about explanations of systemd. It was always about people who have decided against it without reason who think that they know more about the topic than people who use systemd and have read the code. Changing an init system is not such a big deal. We went from BSD style to SysV without any serious problems. Ubuntu went to Upstart and it worked reasonably well for them even though almost no-one in Debian used it. Solaris uses a very different init system that apparently works well enough for them. Apple has yet another different init system which apparently inspired some of the design decisions for systemd. Examples have been cited of systemd developers being difficult to work with. But this mailing list has given plenty of examples to show that anyone who wants to work on systemd must ignore unqualified people. Submitting framebuffer bug reports doesn't make you qualified to assess the Debian project's decision about init systems. Most people involved in this discussion could have spun up a virtual machine running systemd in less time than they spent arguing. Why not just test out systemd and see if it works for you? -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/