<snip> I have no idea of your competency (for all I know your a competent model heli pilot ...and in that case your welcome to come back with a G/FSCKD... :-) but if your new to it all then this would be an excellent and much safer first start </snip> Brent thank you very much for this information. I have been flying small indoor electric helicopters for some time but would consider myself very new. I flew RC aircraft since 1974 way back before even reed RC was the norm and was a founding member of VARMS but have been away from models for some years. I am very aware of CASA having been involved with 1/4 scale gliders and large scale tow planes when they first started in Victoria but not to the extent of the rules regarding helicopters. I thought about the tri, quad or hexacopters but am not keen on that many sets of unprotected blades. I built hovercraft a few years ago and was part of the then Marine Board recommendation regarding ducts and protection systems for flailing blades so am acutely aware of the damage blades can do. I would be happy to join a club again but as I live about 150km from Dandenong and 180k from Melbourne could not get to meets which would be about a 6 hour round trip. There is a club in Sale about 110km away but they have not replied to my emails, neither did the Melbourne Model Helicopter club so I'm thinking they either do not like new people or simply are unresponsive to requests for help and information. Which club are you involved with? thanks Roger