On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
It certainly looks like systemd is dividing many more people, it most certainly is not worth the trouble it is causing even at this stage.
This is the type of arguments that supporters of Dubya used to use. Anyone who disagrees is "divisive".
What is divisive is the moderation / filtering of the Debian-User list to support the very strong stance taken on systemd vs sysvinit in particular, which is clearly against the will of the people ... Debian Users in this case.
Debian-user is not for arguing about Debian design decisions. Not many DDs even bother reading it. Filtering out off-topic mail and people who are abusive is a good thing. While Debian is a democracy in some ways, it's not one in which you get a vote. DDs get to vote. Contribute code, apply to become a DD, and then you'll get a vote. On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, Andrew McGlashan <andrew.mcglashan@affinityvision.com.au> wrote:
Sure, but Russell didn't remember what he wrote and to which I was referring.
I know what I wrote, determining what you are referring to is the difficult part.
Anyway, it's clear to me at this time that systemd is turning out to be a problem of the scale of Windows 8.
Apart from the fact that any given version of Windows only has one GUI with no choice. While the people who create distributions of Linux can choose which version of init they want to use. It seems that all the major distributions are going to systemd, but non-programmers think they know better.
Perhaps that's not fair, but perhaps it is ... only time will tell. I know that I don't want to be wasting my efforts on something that is destined to become a bad part of history and I hope that systemd goes that way, the sooner, the better.
Fortunately you aren't wasting any efforts as you aren't putting any effort into developing a distribution.
In effect, if I was able to, and I know that I can't, then I would be saving Russell plenty of wasted time; of course I could be wrong and it wouldn't be the first time -- but I'm not enjoying how this is panning out as a Debian supporter.
The best way to save me time would be to stop saying silly things about Debian development. -- My Main Blog http://etbe.coker.com.au/ My Documents Blog http://doc.coker.com.au/