On 30.09.2016 13:26, Rick Moen via luv-main wrote:
Quoting russell@coker.com.au (russell@coker.com.au):
People who have chosen systemd have spent a lot of time making it work better and solving some real problems that other init systems have had for many years. People who want to choose SysVInit have spent a lot of time flaming people who write the code.
I continue to like OpenRC a great deal, as the init system. I'm still looking around for the most conservatively written, narrowly scoped PID1 process. (OpenRC doesn't handle being PID1.)
I've written a description of how to (very easily) convert Debian 8 'Jessie' over to OpenRC -- or to runit, sysvinit, or upstart, all of those available packaged in Debian 8 -- and make that architecture decision persist. It turned out to be very easy. Actually I wrote the basic details on this mailing list, in response to a question about that. Later, I fleshed out the topic for my Web site: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html
We had a "debate" about the relative merits of the various init systems on this list some time ago. It turned out that only one of the people who were criticising systemd had actually used it, and that person wasn't making the more extreme criticisms.
Both on this mailing list and on your blog, you seem obsessed with, in effect, calling some set of unnamed but broadly scoped critics names, e.g., that they're just flamers, misogynistic, homophobic, and driven by hostility and hate.
I'm sure you're aware that this variety of rhetoric suffers a rather serious 'if so, so what?' problem (residing somewhere among the subvarieties of non-sequitur appeal). But anyway, I generally find it a great deal more interesting to discuss technology, than to detail at length how awful are the tribe on the other side of the figurative river.
Lots if excellent discusion cut out...............
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Many thanks for an excellent summing up, I was going to put forward a response but your reply has covered all my points nicely. One thing though I will say is I was quite disturbed about the level of hostility in Russel's post. If systemd's supporters need to resort to this level the obvious conclusion one comes to is systemd cannot be that good. I have tried and in fact I still have one of my 4 systems running systemd,now it is Debian 7 32 bit, Debian 8 unfortunately not handling well some items I need to run (Googlearth mainly, there are others). I have found this system is NOT reliable inspite of it being almost identical in hardware to my other main system. Note: all my systems were quite happy with Debian 6. I have not needed to use my systemd system much, this will shortly change and I will be re intstalling Debian 7 without systemd and see if the relibailty issue vanishes, as it could of course be another issue entirely. Using linux since 1993, Lindsay