> Too disruptive for open-minded?  Do we need censorship to protect us?

I cannot follow you. Maybe my wording let me down. I was not talking about censorship at all.

The beauty (and longevity) of Unix is its modular approach with clearly defined APIs.

Systemd is the oppposite. A quite central project, an init, which practically unpredictable development direction, which makes it more and more difficult to replace it by something else.

I can easily replace Linux with a Windows desktop. It's booting pretty fast and it logs so you can read it with an Event viewer. And you have a registry which is faster to read then configuration text files.

If you want Unix utilities, install CygWin on it.It's not great but.. well, you have to make allowances to have such a beautiful init process which does nearly everything the developers could think of. 

Occasionally it fails to boot or crashes and nobody understands why .. but it is really booting fast.

(</Irony>.. just in case you missed it.

> If FreeBSD works better for you then why don't you just use it? 

For the same reason I am writing this on a Windows computer.

> Why don't you run a training session for other LUV members?

I suggested to prepare a demonstration of its capabilities in server automation.

I am afraid I am not a very good source of wisdom if it comes to 'FreeBSD on the laptop'. As I tried to explain, it is as presenting a 4WD and demonstrating its capabilities as a racing car.. It is not a good racing car and I am not a good Formula 1 driver.

I spent many hours to discourage friends and acquaintances to ask me how to fix and configure their (often Windows) laptop/tablet/smartphone;-)

Regards
Peter



On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Russell Coker <russell@coker.com.au> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2015 10:13:20 AM Peter Ross wrote:
> The problem seems that commercial (or more sinister?) interests at work so
> it is possible that such things are happening.

Sinister?  LOL

> Systemd is too much of a disruptive beast to be tolerated in an open-minded
> Open Source community. It is more or less a hostile init ABI without
> certainty of reasonable stability for the surrounding environment.

Too disruptive for open-minded?  Do we need censorship to protect us?

> E.g. the current setup where I work now, with VMware ESXi and CentOS, is
> simply inferior to the way I could manage FreeBSD/ZFS/jails over the last
> years.

If FreeBSD works better for you then why don't you just use it?  Why don't you
run a training session for other LUV members?

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