On 14/10/2014 1:25 AM, Russell Coker wrote:
Most people involved in this discussion could have spun up a virtual machine running systemd in less time than they spent arguing. Why not just test out systemd and see if it works for you?
There is enough known about systemd today, about it's current over creep and the plans of the systemd developers that I know that I want to avoid it altogether. A fact that with systemd, they consider it a "real operating system", what do we have without systemd? Did you want that video from the Perth LCA? That has some revelations.... it only goes for 9:31 ... of course it is up to you to decide if you want to watch -- I'm not going to command you, which would be pointless anyway. People have posted in DU list that they have had systemd installed due to an updates/upgrade process ... they DID NOT want it. I have absolutely no plan to /spin/ up a VM to decide if systemd is a problem or not because of the knowledge I already have; I do NOT want systemd. If systemd was ONLY an init system and nothing else, then many wouldn't be as concerned; most that seem to WANT or otherwise not care, don't accept the fact that systemd is much more than just an init system right now, let alone where the project is headed. If the main developer didn't screw up Pulse Audio for so many people .... if another developer didn't code so badly that Linus refuses his kernel patches ... if if if if .... I don't need any more ifs, I just want to distance myself and any and all systems that I maintain from systemd as much as possible. A.