Now I do not like to contribute to any serious discussion without a lot of thinking time, under the circumstances I will have a go. I am an individual with my own personal prefernces if they are not like the majorities there is nothing wrong with that. I get on very well with the world on subjects that interest me. This is a free world as far as I am concerend anyone can do what they wish as long if it is something that do not like I do not have to witness or take part in the activity. With interent I carefully chose what I wish to look at,with an open forum it is almost certain subjects will come up that will cause me concern in the end it is my choice that I do not want to put myself through such things. In the current case a good number of people has indicated I am out of line. Luv is the group of individuals in this case in a real sense the group has spoken. I have no wish to impose myself on anyone so I feel the path that I am taking is OK. Over the years I have been with group it has been helpfull and interesting. With almost everything a take great joy in figureing out difficult problems so leaving such a group as luv as not a major disaster. I wish everyone well but it is clear now time to try and view other horizons. Linux since kernel 0.96d and forever, Lindsay