Hi folks, I've found the discussions really useful, thanks all. The issues around the rules from the state government and how they change and what they require has made me reconsider my position on disincorporation of LUV. Previously I was neutral with a slight tendency against it but having seen all the rules that LUV has to deal with and the fact there are quite real penalties for not being in compliance with them then I see that as quite a burden and liability for LUV and something we would likely be better off without. Linux Australia appears to be better resourced to deal with those issues and there is an appeal to make that compliance somebody elses problem and to let the local group just get on with doing Linux related things. So I've changed my mind and will be voting yes for d14n tonight. All the best, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC